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Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by sliverstorm on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:04PM (#7533571)
The main thing that needs to be done, is the public needs to learn & adjust its behavior. This is a sociopolitical problem, and I think it needs to be fixed by those means. Either through adjusting norms of socially accepted behavior (i.e. don't crucify someone for what they did 10 years ago) or through strong leadership from political figures/groups.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by vidarh on Friday April 04, 2014 @04:36PM (#7534173)
I think you will find the public will learn the opposite of what you want: This is an example to progressives that they too in some situation have the power to send strong signals about standards expected of those who expect to be in leadership positions - even in private companies.

This has been the case "forever" for moralists on the right, from long before McCarthy. Try to become a politician or high level exec in the US while showcasing features of your personal life that does not fit into a relatively conservative, Christian narrative. Your odds just became vastly worse.

This is one in a short, but growing, set of examples of situations where people have been successfully ousted for supporting relatively mainstream but still bigoted viewpoints.

Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by npsimons on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:11PM (#7533631)
Except for the fact that a large chunk of the support for _California's_ Prop8 came from outside the state (specifically: Mormon Utah), especially in the form of money. How do you counter that "sociopolitically"?

That aside, I can agree that someone shouldn't be crucified for a bad decision that is well in the past, especially if they've learned the error of their ways.

Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by sliverstorm on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:18PM (#7533678)
Ballot strategy is a different topic; I was specifically addressing how a grassroots movement (e.g. the online lynch of Eich) would have to be tackled.

Ballot strategy is more about the organized manipulation of swing voters, which is almost certainly what Utah did, so values & beliefs become less important than FUD & counter-FUD.

Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by npsimons on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:27PM (#7533725)
Ah, thanks for that clarification. I do think that people need to be unafraid to express their opinions, if for no other reason than the slightly cynical one of knowing who you're really dealing with. Sure, it's lousy that there is a figurative lynch mob for Eich. But I do think that that particular position is inconsistent with Mozilla's tenets.

In other words, I don't think that Eich fits very well as a guiding light for mozilla, a position which might very well be embodied by a CEO. He probably shouldn't have become CEO of Mozilla in the first place. I'm fairly certain there are plenty of corporations more aligned with his goals that he can work for, so it's not like he'll be out a job for long. Just wish it could have been handled better, that there had not been a virtual lynch mob, and the inevitable turning of Eich into a martyr for free speech, all the while ignoring that the repercussions for supporting discrimination aren't nearly as bad as some people are making them out to be.

Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by mikeash on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:06PM (#7533591)
OK, and how do you do that exactly?

Clearly calling people out publicly is not allowed. What's the proper approach for changing the public's behavior?

Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by slantyyz on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:47PM (#7533858)
>> Clearly calling people out publicly is not allowed.

I have a possibly weird/complex take on this whole thing.

I think it was absolutely fine for the public/customers/partners to call out Eich to resign based on his Prop 8 vote.

On the other hand, I have mixed feelings about Mozilla employees calling for his resignation publicly.

Where I live, I think Eich would have a case for workplace harassment against those employees. I don't know what workplace harassment laws are like in the US, but publicly shaming a coworker for something legal they did that you don't morally agree with is usually grounds for some sort of action, regardless of that person's position of power.

Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values by sliverstorm on Friday April 04, 2014 @03:09PM (#7533615)
I don't really know. I can speculate- well-reasoned & accessible pieces that avoid throwing around blame (public figure). Friends speaking with friends (grassroots). Political guidance/commentary from The Party (political figure).

All I'm hoping for right now though, is that people will individually start to recognize the pattern & begin to lose their bloodlust.