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Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by clarky07 on Thursday January 30, 2014 @11:37PM (#7155269)
I saw that the other day, it's pretty fantastic. Trademarking "Candy" and "Saga" is pretty absurd. Trademarking "Candy Crush Saga" is perfectly reasonable. We'd also accept "Candy Crush".
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by batiudrami on Friday January 31, 2014 @12:28AM (#7155440)
I can understand 'Saga' because their grand plan is to have 25 x-saga games (like Zynga did with -ville). If they do that and other people start making similar facebook games called x-saga then that would be unfair to King. I don't know if they have any other recourse in that instance, but they should be able to protect their brand.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by vacri on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:06AM (#7155555)
Most games tell a story of some kind, and sagas are a type of story. The idea that one company gets a lock on that word is ludicrous. "A first-person fantasy-based RPG called 'Dragon Saga'? Sorry, you can't have it because a tile-matching game has trademarked the word 'saga'".

It's a bit like being able to trademark the term 'movie' - should the makers of 'Scary Movie' be able to stop other films from having 'movie' in the title?

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by smoyer on Friday January 31, 2014 @07:35AM (#7156347)
I watched my son playing Candy Crush for a few minutes and I don't see even a hint of a saga in that game. Can you get a patent on the process of misusing English words to back up your trademark?
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by jere on Friday January 31, 2014 @08:40AM (#7156565)
The worst part is one of the main definitions of saga is "long story of heroic achievement, esp. a medieval prose narrative in Old Norse or Old Icelandic." Banner Saga is pretty much the perfect fit.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by fragsworth on Friday January 31, 2014 @12:43AM (#7155494)
It's different from Zynga's "-ville", because Zynga creates new words that have never (or very rarely) been used. It's different from Apple's i-Things as well for the same reason. Both of those companies made prudent decisions about their brand trademarks by not treading on anyone else.

The law should not allow companies to own common English words in perpetuity. If you want to make your brand a common English word, you should accept the fact that other people get to use it.

I doubt King will win any lawsuits against others who use the words.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by chilldream on Friday January 31, 2014 @08:03AM (#7156440)
> Both of those companies made prudent decisions about their brand trademarks by not treading on anyone else.

Actually Apple ran into some trouble with, say, there already being software called IOS before any of the iThings existed. They've been to court over it a few times.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by morganherlocker on Friday January 31, 2014 @09:47AM (#7156859)
They also license the name "iPhone" from Cisco. They reference it in the first few lines of the legal section in the settings panel.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by MartinCron on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:29PM (#7158230)
There's a different takeaway here. There are lots of other companies that are using the i- prefix for their products and yet Apple continues to thrive.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by EpicEng on Friday January 31, 2014 @03:07AM (#7155839)

  then that would be unfair to King
Really? So, because a company wants to use the word "saga" in a line of products, they now own the word "saga"? Really?! Man, I totally should have grabbed the word "trilogy" last year before I wrote my last three apps.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Mikeb85 on Friday January 31, 2014 @12:55AM (#7155530)
But 'Saga' is an old, generic word that can apply to any epic story, so giving them the trademark for x-saga wouldn't be right...
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by georgemcbay on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:14AM (#7155575)
Not only is it generic, but it is a word that has a long history of being used in the name of games well before "King" existed as a company:

http://www.mobygames.com/search/quick?q=saga&x=0&y=0

If Nintendo were to release a Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga sequel, would King be so "gracious" as to allow them use of the Saga term?

This whole situation highlights how ludicrous IP law has gotten in the past decade.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by MartinCron on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:03PM (#7158028)
I can understand 'Saga' because their grand plan is to have 25 x-saga games (like Zynga did with -ville)

I think that people can see that's their grand plan, but it's a bad plan that deserves neither respect nor trademark protection.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Natsu on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:21AM (#7155590)
They chose "Saga" knowing that it had a long history of use in a great many games that are very well known to gamers, so that's something they should have to live with. Stealing (i.e. actually depriving others of) the use of parts of language is not inherently reasonable to me.

Also, what ever happened to trademarks? I thought they were defined as adjectives and 'Saga' is clearly a noun in every use I've seen....

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 31, 2014 @05:51AM (#7156141)
A trademark is any distinguishing mark that indicates a product comes from you. The whole idea ("trade mark") is that it gives you a way to let people know which products are yours and which are competitors / unrelated / what have you, or, viewed from the mirror perspective, to let customers in the market know that they're buying what they think they're buying. That's why a central test of trademark violation is whether a customer would be likely to be confused between two marks.

They can be anything at all, such as entire phrases ("made from the best stuff on earth"), symbols (like the Apple apple), or particular colors, like the distinctive blue that Mauna Loa uses in their macadamia nut packaging (or the distinctive blue that Tiffany's uses in theirs!).

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Natsu on Friday January 31, 2014 @10:46PM (#7160755)
Yeah, but they're supposed to be used as an identifier and the fact that they don't (and haven't, to my knoweldge) ever used it as an adjective only underscores the fact that it does nothing whatsoever to distinguish them.

While I could see Candy X Saga being marginally distinctive, I associate 'Candy' and 'Saga' very strongly with completely different makers and I believe that I am by no means alone. For me, 'Candy Land' comes first for 'Candy' and 'Saga' goes to the whole 'SaGa' RPG series.

Also, I don't like word thieves trying to steal language out from under us. Here, the usage of 'thief' being justified by the fact that they are attempting to deprive us of the use of the word through dodgy legal practices.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by thaumasiotes on Saturday February 01, 2014 @02:05AM (#7161102)
Did you mean to reply to someone else?
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Natsu on Saturday February 01, 2014 @03:12AM (#7161189)
No. I'm pointing out how, in spite of that, I believe this mark as applied for is not distinctive in the least and to me creates confusion with the marks of people who used them in commerce first.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by pinoyyid on Monday February 03, 2014 @10:08AM (#7170959)
A Trademark is only granted for a narrow field of use. So the headline assertion that King want to monopilize the word "Candy" is wide of the mark. As thaumasiotes states, the purpose is to protect consumers by rogue companies passing off their products in an attempt to deceive. All trademark applications are inspected before grant, that inspection being focussed on what is right for the average consumer, not for the company making the application, nor its competitors. In this case, imho, the trademark is legitimate. A quick scan of many of the objectioners shows that they are clearly aiming to deceive the average consumer.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Natsu on Monday February 03, 2014 @10:31PM (#7175330)
Well, all of my examples are for games which is quite narrow. Are they not claiming 'games' as one of their categories?
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Angostura on Friday January 31, 2014 @05:21AM (#7156079)
> Also, what ever happened to trademarks? I thought they were defined as adjectives

Sorry? Apple is an adjective?

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by barik on Friday January 31, 2014 @07:49AM (#7156395)
> Sorry? Apple is an adjective?

For purposes of a trademark, actually, yes. From Apple's own site [1], "Trademarks are adjectives, and should not be made into verbs or made plural or possessive." In addition, Apple specifies a list of suggested generic terms for each trademark. Under Guidelines for Using Apple Trademarks and Copyrights, some concrete examples are given [2]: "Correct: I bought two Macintosh computers." but "Not Correct: I bought two Macintoshes."

[1] https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/...

[2] https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/guidelines...

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 31, 2014 @07:12PM (#7160150)
This is incorrect in multiple ways.

- Apple says this because it doesn't want its trademarks to become common words ineligible for trademark protection (like what happened to xerox and kleenex). But it can't stop people from referring to things however they please; this is nothing more than a statement of how Apple wishes the world would work.

- If I say "I bought two Apple computers", Apple is still a noun, not an adjective.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Natsu on Saturday February 01, 2014 @01:21AM (#7161033)
> But it can't stop people from referring to things however they please

Even if they send C&D notes over improper usage?

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by thaumasiotes on Saturday February 01, 2014 @02:00AM (#7161098)
Yes, if you post "I bought two Macintoshes today" to your blog or write it in a commercial article or anything of the kind, Apple has no authority to prevent that (and a trademark likewise does not apply to such behavior). Their only authority is to stop you from using their mark on your unaffiliated products.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by stonemetal on Friday January 31, 2014 @02:09PM (#7158512)
The only problem with that is Saga is a common word in video game titles -ville not so much. If you swing by a game related site like http://www.gamefaqs.com/ and search for saga it will turn up more than a couple hundred games with saga in the title(including more than one game titled "Saga")
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by jasallen on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:28AM (#7155604)
You're trolling right?
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by venomsnake on Friday January 31, 2014 @02:26AM (#7155746)
Then they patent Candy xxx saga. And begin pumping Candy Crush Saga, Candy Punch Saga, Candy Throw Saga, Candy Jump Saga. But both candy and saga should be in the game title.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by r0s on Friday January 31, 2014 @03:19AM (#7155869)
"Saga" is far too broad, and they have no fair claim on that.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by georgemcbay on Friday January 31, 2014 @01:12AM (#7155567)
IMO even Candy Crush is pushing it, especially given there's a game called Candy Cruncher... which came out in 2002... and is a match-3 game....
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by DougMerritt on Friday January 31, 2014 @02:41AM (#7155794)
The movie Wreck It Ralph rather centrally featured the fictional game Candy Rush -- prior to the release of Candy Crush.

Might even be where King got the idea for the name of their game.

Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by andrewfong on Friday January 31, 2014 @03:15AM (#7155859)
Sugar Rush, not Candy Rush
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by bitwize on Friday January 31, 2014 @09:45AM (#7156842)
"Milk my duds! They claim they own the word 'Candy'? And 'King'?!"
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by sjwright on Saturday February 01, 2014 @02:09AM (#7161107)
Featuring the character King Candy.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by matdrewin on Friday January 31, 2014 @07:19AM (#7156302)
Also that Candy Crush looks to me like a copy of Bejeweled.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by DanBC on Friday January 31, 2014 @07:38AM (#7156356)
Bejeweled has square boards. Candy crush has shaped boards. There is not much variation in match three games but this is one of the big differences.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by moistgorilla on Friday January 31, 2014 @12:11PM (#7157699)
They aren't copies. This is like saying that every fps after quake is quake clone.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by Crito on Friday January 31, 2014 @04:16PM (#7159240)
I would feel comfortable calling FPS games "quake clones" if they have sufficiently similar gameplay to Quake. Painkiller or Serious Sam come to mind.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by higherpurpose on Friday January 31, 2014 @12:50AM (#7155513)
Or when Facebook trademarked the words face and book.
Re:Game Developers Are Trolling the Makers of Candy Crush Wi... by chris_wot on Saturday February 01, 2014 @01:06PM (#7162536)
Did they?