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Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by cromwellian on Sunday January 12, 2014 @12:48AM (#7045293)
I obviously think this guy has a right to publish on his blog. But the story paints him as a kook who shot himself in the foot.

Even if you are 100% right, you don't represent yourself in court, and you certainly don't insult the judge or court. This is the quickest way to lose your case. If he's lucky, his courtroom trolling may have provoked the judge into overstepping the law and it'll be tossed out.

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by nate_meurer on Sunday January 12, 2014 @03:12PM (#7047254)
I agree, however it's important to emphasize that neither self-representation nor insulting the judge are crimes (outside of the disturbingly gray area of contempt).

Even among Mr Shuler's defenders there is widespread recognition that he has potentially crossed the line into defamation on more than one occasion. That's not the problem. The problem is what appears to be a lack of due process so far. Quoting the article and the illustrious Ken White:

"But Mr. White and others say that before a judge can take the step of banning speech, libel must be proved at trial, or at least over a litigation process more involved than a quick succession of hearings, with the only evidence presented by the plaintiffs."

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by etanazir on Sunday January 12, 2014 @10:35AM (#7046223)
His case is not over. It still exists as an appeal and public opinion. Why make deals with a corrupt i.e. invalid government official if you are fighting corrupt invalid government officials?
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by rosser on Saturday January 11, 2014 @10:47PM (#7045076)
The Ken White mentioned in the article is the Ken White behind Popehat, articles from which have frequently shown up on the HN front page (particularly during the Prenda Law saga).
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by eli on Saturday January 11, 2014 @11:29PM (#7045155)
Indeed here are his posts on this case: http://www.popehat.com/tag/roger-shuler/
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by aspensmonster on Sunday January 12, 2014 @12:20AM (#7045244)
>There, in the company of jailed reporters in China, Iran and Egypt, is Mr. Shuler, the only person on the list in the Western Hemisphere.

Their list is out of date then.

http://freebarrettbrown.org/

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by higherpurpose on Saturday January 11, 2014 @11:20PM (#7045128)
Whoever is defending this needs to talk about the "act of journalism", and say how in the digital age everyone can commit "acts of journalism" without having a "journalist job" or belonging to a "journalism association", which in the digital age/21st century are starting to become obsolete notions.

But even without this sort of defense, he should still have the right to free speech that everyone in US gets.

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by anonymouscowar1 on Saturday January 11, 2014 @11:24PM (#7045136)
Oh, this guy is an asshole, and what he writes definitely falls into a defamation and slander. The First amendment doesn't protect this kind of speech.

The problem isn't that he's being punished by the courts, it's that he's seeing indefinite jail time just for opening his mouth. There is a crime here, but the punishment doesn't fit it.

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by eli on Saturday January 11, 2014 @11:32PM (#7045159)
Err, I don't think defamation or slander are criminal
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by Tuna-Fish on Sunday January 12, 2014 @12:24AM (#7045253)
They are not criminal, but it's possible to get a court order that says "cut it out", and failing to comply with that does lead to penalties such as being held in contempt.

If they believe that the order is flawed, the correct way to go forward is to still comply, then raise the case in a higher court. Not complying only means that the judge can hold him in jail for the rest of his life if he chooses to, without any impropriety.

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by xarball on Saturday January 11, 2014 @11:47PM (#7045189)
Agreed, I'm pretty sure those fall under civil court?
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by AmVess on Sunday January 12, 2014 @04:06AM (#7045598)
Criminal contempt of court can take place during a civil or criminal trial.
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by eli on Saturday January 11, 2014 @11:27PM (#7045150)
He refuses to meet with a lawyer. He's been representing himself...
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by coldcode on Saturday January 11, 2014 @09:48PM (#7044933)
Or insanity questions.
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by grecy on Saturday January 11, 2014 @10:23PM (#7045015)
The insane have no right to free speech?
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by barrecan on Saturday January 11, 2014 @10:34PM (#7045045)
I think he might be referring to his treatment in court.
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by nwhitmore on Saturday January 11, 2014 @10:34PM (#7045043)
If they have 1st Amendment rights, do they also have 2nd Amendment rights?
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by rosser on Saturday January 11, 2014 @10:48PM (#7045079)
Neither the 1st nor the 2nd Amendment confer absolute rights. Hence, convicted felons (typically) can't own firearms, and "incitement to violence" isn't considered "speech".
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by Daniel_Newby on Sunday January 12, 2014 @01:01AM (#7045318)
The first amendment confers no rights; it restricts congress. The second amendment confers absolute rights; the restrictions on, say, youths and felons are blatantly unconstitutional.
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by tzs on Sunday January 12, 2014 @02:25AM (#7045472)
> The second amendment confers absolute rights; the restrictions on, say, youths and felons are blatantly unconstitutional.

Both the Supreme Court and the NRA disagree with you. I think you need to recheck your research.

Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by sliverstorm on Sunday January 12, 2014 @03:49AM (#7045577)
Youths have basically no rights as far as the constitution is concerned.
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by tptacek on Sunday January 12, 2014 @11:36AM (#7046405)
No.
Re:Blogger’s Incarceration Raises First Amendment Questions by sliverstorm on Sunday January 12, 2014 @02:32PM (#7047106)
That was helpful, thank you.