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Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by twoodfin on Saturday January 04, 2014 @01:19PM (#7012169)
The NSA works for the President. He can order them to stop any and all of these programs immediately, and if they don't, start firing people until they do.

He won't (and I don't think he should) because he thinks it would be a bad idea from both a national security and a political standpoint.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by jbooth on Saturday January 04, 2014 @02:31PM (#7012495)
I would be seriously fascinated to hear Obama's honest reasoning on this topic. He's got a history all the way back to law school of public statements that are diametrically opposed to what he's authorizing the NSA to do. Yet when he's president, he lets it continue? I mean, maybe he stopped them from doing some even worse stuff, but you'd think he'd be opposed to the currently disclosed programs, from his history.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by dllthomas on Saturday January 04, 2014 @05:04PM (#7013161)
Based on his history, I assumed he came into office, went to the NSA, and said, "Well, I know you want to do way more creepy spying. I want you to do less creepy spying. So how about we meet in the middle with a little more creepy spying?" And then they talked him up a little from there.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by jbooth on Saturday January 04, 2014 @09:55PM (#7014279)
Ha, fair enough.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by a3n on Saturday January 04, 2014 @02:04PM (#7012399)
And Rand Paul works for Rand Paul, and with the Republicans that he has chosen to throw in with. The NSA would be in the exact same state of capability and behavior today if a Republican were in the Whitehouse, and Paul would not be suing.

This is about Rand Paul, using any available brick to throw at Obama, the idea being that as Obama's fortunes fall Paul's rise.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by larrys on Saturday January 04, 2014 @05:01PM (#7013150)
"Rand Paul, using any available brick to throw at Obama"

In short a version of grandstanding. Schumer of NY uses any opportunity he can in the same way for certain issues.

While all politicians do this some are more likely than others to seize the moment.

In other words something is in the news and then all the sudden Senator "x" is writing a letter or demanding some action which gets him publicity.

It would be interesting to see how many times a press release is issued by these types that is not about some issue that has bubbled up first in the media. (My point being that I'd like to see if I am correct...or not.)

I do know that politicians are quick to write letters about anything and everything. But certain issues that have more PR potential seem to be more equal than others. My observation.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by smokeyj on Saturday January 04, 2014 @02:15PM (#7012439)
Why does Paul's motivation matter? I'm just happy to see something being done.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by pcloadletter on Saturday January 04, 2014 @02:31PM (#7012498)
It does, because motivation decides what that "something" in "something being done" is.

Rand Paul's party is by far the biggest supporter of NSA, TSA, and other TLAs. If he really wanted to change things, he could start by convincing his own party to stop fellating the NSA.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by 1457389 on Saturday January 04, 2014 @03:25PM (#7012744)
I think injunctive relief against the NSA is a goal, a "something" that most civil liberties advocates and Rand Paul can agree on. Let it not be said that liberals took yet another opportunity to miss an opportunity at bipartisan reform of our executive branch's powers.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by a3n on Saturday January 04, 2014 @02:37PM (#7012523)
Motivation matters because you serve the goal, not the tactics. If Paul's motivation is not actually restricting the NSA, then at some point he's likely to pivot.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by adventured on Saturday January 04, 2014 @03:51PM (#7012862)
Where in Rand Paul's heavily libertarian-leaning history do you see evidence that he's in favor of a police state (or policies that make such possible), such that a massive issue like this is one on which he's likely to pivot away from his fundamental beliefs?
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by a3n on Saturday January 04, 2014 @04:08PM (#7012941)
I know nothing of Rand Paul's history. When I see someone talking about an issue (the NSA) and using it to paint an opponent ("Obama's NSA"), then I think it's safe to say that the point is as much that opponent as the mere paint.
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by Mikeb85 on Saturday January 04, 2014 @02:47PM (#7012566)
> The NSA works for the President.

While I'm not that well versed in American politics, I find that hard to believe. The President doesn't seem to be some sort of all-controlling, micromanaging dictator, I'd find it more believable that he doesn't directly control the majority of US institutions, especially since most of them operate regardless of the political party in charge.

I mean, the NSA has been operating for 60 years, so obviously there is some continuity, and their activities go beyond the whims of each individual president...

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by adventured on Saturday January 04, 2014 @04:01PM (#7012915)
The NSA falls under the Department of Defense, they are a military tool. It is directly under the command of the Commander-in-chief, ie the US President, at all times, period.

They do what he commands. If that's not the case, then the United States is under siege, and the government has suffered a coup.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by dllthomas on Saturday January 04, 2014 @05:16PM (#7013207)
"If that's not the case, then the United States is under siege, and the government has suffered a coup."

Not every instance of dereliction of duty is a coup... but at the extreme, yeah.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by protomyth on Saturday January 04, 2014 @03:48PM (#7012849)
The NSA is part of the executive branch and must obey directives from the President that do not violate the law. Otherwise, the President couldn't execute his/her duty as defined in the US Constitution.

"the buck stops here"

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by res0nat0r on Saturday January 04, 2014 @04:49PM (#7013107)
The President isn't a dictator.

The NSA is under the DoD. So he needs to start by firing Chuck Hagel, then his Deputy, then General Alexander, et al.

That is going to do more damage than it helps. The NSA isn't black and white no matter how much people on HN have recently decided it to be so.

Law changes and reforms within the NSA are the only sane way to fix issues you don't like without doing more harm than good, and the President just doesn't unilaterally get to pass new laws on his whim.

Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by dllthomas on Saturday January 04, 2014 @05:06PM (#7013168)
The president does set administrative policy for executive agencies, and can certainly tell them they need to stay further inside whatever bounds Congress has laid out. Of course, that can be trivially reversed by the next guy...
Re:Sen. Rand Paul says he's suing over NSA policies by twoodfin on Saturday January 04, 2014 @10:01PM (#7014293)
Sure, that's why elections matter.