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Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by fit2rule on Sunday December 29, 2013 @11:08AM (#6979975)
What a disgusting point of view. The only thing that would make the world a better place is if the funding for death-machines was instead being used to deliver water purification plants, schools and education packages, medical supplies - to those human beings living in the 'foreign lands' who really need it.

For the cost of a single Hellfire, many Afghanistan villages could've been given power, for the first time, to charge their phones, making it possible for them to communicate, to educate themselves. But instead: BOOM! There goes some kids leg.

What a pity that the desire to create such technology is not, instead, being directed by the government towards truly peaceful technologies..

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by giardini on Sunday December 29, 2013 @11:31AM (#6980059)
fit2rule: "the funding for death-machines was instead being used to deliver water purification plants, schools and education packages, medical supplies - to those human beings living in the 'foreign lands' who really need it."

And what happens when people who accept those plants, schools and education are killed by people who don't want them to accept those gifts from us? Back in the Vietnam era I made the same argument you do (for awhile). But the VC learned to kill villagers who accepted aid. The same thing goes on today in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.

In a better world, one without war, I would agree with you. But that is not the world we live in. Sometimes you have to think things through to second-order and higher effects.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by fit2rule on Sunday December 29, 2013 @11:36AM (#6980077)
The cost of one drone would provide ample resources for a village in Afghanistan to educate itself and defend itself from other killers.

Drop books not bombs!

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by cmdkeen on Sunday December 29, 2013 @12:13PM (#6980246)
You do realise the Taliban are specifically opposed to Western education, especially the education of women. You have groups like Boko Haram (literally "Western education is sinful").

Dropping books on villages when the security situation hasn't been established is akin to dropping landmines - anyone who picks one up and takes it home risks being killed.

There is a very good reason the Afghan campaign was about providing security in an area first then building schools, providing power, healthcare etc.

The problem is that Helmand province (especially) is so close the Pakistani border, and thus limitless reinforcements, providing the security there to do anything else is nigh on impossible.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by fit2rule on Sunday December 29, 2013 @12:20PM (#6980276)
Educating new generations is vital to the effort to replace these heinous groups with sane, functioning societies. Just because 'its hard to educate' doesn't justify the continued killing of innocents.
Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by cmdkeen on Sunday December 29, 2013 @12:24PM (#6980297)
No-one is saying that we shouldn't try to educate our potential enemies, especially in places like Afghanistan. I'm just pointing out that your "drop books on them instead" it fatuous and wouldn't work.

Provide the security so that people won't be killed for being educated, and education is best. Educating without security just leads to dead kids.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by fit2rule on Sunday December 29, 2013 @12:28PM (#6980316)
Look, take the amount of technology developed to murder, kill and maim - and instead use that same degree of technology to educate, enlighten, and liberate. How hard is it to understand this concept?

It was once very, very difficult to drop a bomb on a childs head from afar - you used to have to do a lot more. Now its 'easy', relatively speaking. Imagine if that same scale of efficacy were applied, instead, to educating - to healing - to helping instead of killing.

What would the "B1 Bomber" of education systems look like? Lets develop it, and deliver.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by melling on Sunday December 29, 2013 @02:08PM (#6980770)
Most Americans think we already spend too much on foreign aid. So, politically what you are proposing isn't going to work. Perhaps a privately funded solution. The "Three Cups of Tea" author was doing some of this but it turned out he wasn't completely honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Cups_of_Tea

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by fit2rule on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:01PM (#6981630)
>>Most Americans think we already spend too much on foreign aid.

I've yet to meet an American who thinks the Trillion dollar military-industrial debt that they owe has been worth it.

At all.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by melling on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:48PM (#6981848)
My statement was in response to someone who thought we should give more money in foreign aid, which I would be in favor.

Your statement is simply a complaint that really has no relevance. Are you in favor of giving more in foreign aid, to help build schools, etc?

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by marcosdumay on Sunday December 29, 2013 @02:30PM (#6980878)
Do you realis that the US presence in the Midle East is fundamental for the empowering of the Taliban, don't you?

Of course, if not for the US, some other bully would be there, I perfectly understand that. Thus, no need of answering anything along those lines.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by cmdkeen on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:03PM (#6981637)
It isn't just the military presence that drives fundamentalist Islam. "The Great Satan" is evil because of culture - educating children will also be seen part of the same evil - Westernisation.

cf Boko Haram - the Nigerian group whose name is literally "Western education is sinful".

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by neals on Sunday December 29, 2013 @12:10PM (#6980225)
Yes. However, nobody is interested in funding these types of drones. The military has the budget to really kickstart drone development and take us to the next level.

As alwasy, the military leads the way in science with their limitless budget, funded by fear.

Peaceful spinoff project is where the benefits for everybody will come from.

Re:I worked on the US drone program. The public should know ... by AndrewKemendo on Sunday December 29, 2013 @12:41PM (#6980383)
For the cost of a single Hellfire, many Afghanistan villages could've been given power, for the first time, to charge their phones, making it possible for them to communicate, to educate themselves.

A nice thought, but anyone who has spent time in rural AFG/PAK or Yemen/Somalia (where most of this is happening) will tell you that that is not what would happen. More typical, the power would be diverted to or ripped out by the local warlords to maintain their own power over the population - and most of the "regular" citizens go along with it because it meets cultural demands of the religiosity and tribalism that has been baked in for.

Liberalism (classic) can't be forced on a region or a group of people.