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Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by gruseom on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:08PM (#6727560)
It is hard to figure out! I've taken it from the airport to Mountain View many times. First you need the airport train to the BART station. That's easy enough, once you see the signs telling you how to get there. They don't tell you which train is which, but if you get on the wrong one all that happens is you go the wrong way through all the airport terminals. Once you're at BART, you have to figure out how to buy a BART ticket (not that hard, only half a dozen steps or so) and how to use it to get admitted into the station. Various people will be doing the latter (you insert your ticket one place and then it opens a turnstile and pops the ticket out and you grab the ticket again. Don't forget to grab your damn ticket!) so hopefully you can just copy them.

Now things advance a level. Your BART train may be sitting there, but the doors will be closed. People are sitting inside--how did they get there?--but you can't get in. Expect this bizarre situation to last for about ten minutes, and just act cool like the locals. Eventually the doors will probably open; that was just to throw you off a bit. You're on BART! Ok. You must get off at Millbrae because that's where Caltrain is.

Surprise! BART doesn't necessarily stop at Millbrae. Sometimes you must go past it to San Bruno, then cross the aisle and catch a different BART back to Millbrae. The conductor is supposed to tell you so, but often is too indifferent to bother; that doesn't matter, though, because BART's PA system is so old and ratty that you wouldn't be able to hear it anyway. What you'd hear is "shbluwarmillblahcalshulb". If by some twist the intercom started working, you might not understand, because the conductors are bored and like to read the script as unintelligibly as they can. So make sure you're an expert in the right American accent. Anyway, now that you're going the other way on BART from San Bruno, you get off at Millbrae.

Now you have to figure out how to get out of the BART station. That's almost the same as how you got in--you insert the ticket and then it pops out and you take it and it lets you through, unless you paid exactly, in which case the ticket doesn't pop out but does let you through, or unless you didn't pay enough, in which case it pops out but doesn't let you through. In that case you have to find and figure out the machine that lets you add enough money to the ticket to get let out of BART. That's not quite the same process as the one by which you bought the ticket in the first place, but the learning curve is similar so you may enjoy it a bit better.

Congratulations, you're out of BART. Your next mission is to figure out where the Caltrain platform is. It's nearby, haha, but don't think it's easy to get to! I've wandered around looking for it for ages. You have to go up the correct escalator and down the correct staircase; there are perhaps a dozen to choose from. And make sure you end up on the correct platform, because otherwise your Caltrain is going to take you to San Francisco, which is not Mountain View at all. It's far from obvious which platform is which, especially since after working your way through the maze I've described so far, you will have zero orientation as to which way is north. You want south. Actually what you want is "San Jose", because that's where the Caltrain you want is going. You don't want San Jose, but San Jose is the way to Mountain View. Fortunately you knew that.

Now buy a Caltrain ticket. That involves figuring out which of several "zones" you want to go to, each of which is a list of names that mostly mean nothing to you but one of which, you'll eventually discover, includes Mountain View. Then do another simple half a dozen steps to pay and get your ticket. Edit: but don't miss the demonic detail kindly supplied by ghshephard below, unless it pleases you to figure out the hard parts yourself.

The machine will spit out two tickets, though. One is your receipt, which you probably don't need, and the other is your ticket, which you certainly do. Don't make the mistake of keeping the wrong one; if you do... that's an exercise to the reader. Now you're ready for the train. Oh, one passed by while you were trying to find your damn platform and buy your damn ticket, but don't worry: another will be along in an hour.

Make sure it stops where you want to get off, though. If it's an express train, it may blaze right through that stop, in which case you'll be backtracking on a train for the second time today! (I have made this mistake.) However, you're going to Mountain View and I believe the express trains all do stop there. Better double-check, though. But there won't be any signs on the platform telling you which trains stop where. You might try to look it up on your phone, but there won't be any internet access, so be aware which arm or leg you may pay for roaming data; also, roaming data is often so painfully slow as to be unusable, and the Caltrain schedule if you do find it will be a pdf you have to download. On the bright side, this gives you something to do during your hour waiting for the next train.

Once it comes, you'll get on, but since you're coming from the airport you probably have luggage, and that means you probably want The Luggage Car, which is usually in the middle of the train and has a rack you can put your suitcase onto. Since you don't know that, be sure to be magically positioned so that that car happens to stop in front of you and you happen to see a little sign that says "Luggage Car" to the side of the doors. If you suck at being magically positioned, lug your luggage through the aisle of one of the other cars and hope that you find a couple of adjacent seats and that someone doesn't come along who needs the seat so you have to take your suitcase off it. Failing that, sit with your suitcase on your lap.

Finally, be aware that the stop you want to pay attention to is not Mountain View, where you're going, but San Antonio, the one right before it. Because once the train leaves San Antonio you'll be wanting to begin maneuvering yourself and your suitcase near an exit. Those doors don't stay open very long! If you wait to hear "Mountain View" before you start the maneuver (Caltrain announcements do tend to be audible and intelligible, mostly), you may find that the thirty seconds or so that you have before the doors close again are insufficient to get you and your suitcase off the train, in which case, welcome to Sunnyvale! Don't worry, though; all you were doing was going to meet PG at Y Combinator to talk about your startup. Sunnyvale's nice too, and you saved money on a cab.

I've grown fond of Caltrain since then but will forever empathize with beginners.

Edit: Fine, I added whitespace, but if you're going through this process for the first time, don't think you'll get any whitespace.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by auctiontheory on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:39PM (#6727846)
One of my favorite ever posts on HN! Positively Ulyssean.

The BART-BART transfer showed excellent eye for detail. You did leave out how Caltrain has a very non-zero probability of hitting a suicide, or a car left on the tracks, often right outside my apartment - drop in to say hi! - or just breaking down for no reason at all, delaying you for a further hour or two. But hey, no rush.

And although it may not apply to the OP, since we know how YCombinator feels about non-native English speakers, but imagine following all the steps above if English is not your first language.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by Zenst on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:07PM (#6728085)
"And although it may not apply to the OP, since we know how YCombinator feels about non-native English speakers, but imagine following all the steps above if English is not your first language."

One can imagine many ending up in Springfield given how BART stands out.

As for the incident area you appear too have - might want to setup a webcam, could even charge subscription as there be some strange people on the internet somewhere. Given rolling news works, then that in itself is proof enough that a market exists.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by pkolaczk on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:16PM (#6728155)
I remember buying two tickets in hope the second one would be a return ticket. Then I noticed you don't validate the tickets at the train and they've already been timestamped. :(
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by auctiontheory on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:32PM (#6728710)
What you call a "return ticket," Caltrain calls a "day pass." It costs twice as much as a one-way ticket, so is actually a good deal if you plan to ride the train back and forth all day.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by pkolaczk on Thursday November 14, 2013 @08:34AM (#6732145)
Good to know. I didn't notice that. In Poland and many European countries, a day-pass ticket usually costs as much as 3 one-way tickets.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by lmg643 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:54PM (#6728420)
perhaps i misread the original story, but sounded like he was checked into a hotel in the city and could have taken caltrains directly from SF. get to caltrains (taxi/bus/walk) then one train all the way. google maps is pretty incredible for figuring this stuff out in a hurry. story reads as kind of impulsive, almost bragging about wasting money. maybe not a good steward of investor capital.

makes me think pg made the right call.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by avalaunch on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:08PM (#6730280)
You're on your way to a once in a lifetime meeting. Spending 100 dollars to have an expert drive you there seems like money well spent. Assuming that "google maps is pretty incredible for figuring this stuff out in a hurry" seems like a really bad idea. If you're not from SF, how would you know how good google maps is at determining the right caltrain route?
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by schenecstasy on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:35PM (#6728273)
Ulyssean or Sisyphean?
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by auctiontheory on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:29PM (#6728691)
I was referring to James Joyce's magnum opus, which is short of newlines, not to the Greek epic.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by leoc on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @06:06PM (#6729307)
Well, the latter is about an unexpectedly long, tricky and awkward journey, so either works.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by ghshephard on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:52PM (#6727966)
And, you forgot the best part, which is just as the train is approaching the platform, you are trying to buy the ticket in the machine, but, lo and behold, cal train Credit Card payment is unlike any credit card payment system you've ever used - you do not rapidly push your card in/out, no, it is uniquely designed to require you to push the card in, pause, pause, and then only when it informs you it is safe to proceed, do you then rapidly pull your card out.

It took me several weeks to master that move.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by gruseom on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:02PM (#6728042)
How could I have forgotten that? I credited you above.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by nkuttler on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:16PM (#6727629)
I'm glad you found the Enter key towards the end. You should use it more often :-)
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by stfu on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:03PM (#6728050)
I understand the non-use of the Enter key in that context as a dramaturgical element in order to illustrate the complexity of the outlined events :)
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by dkersten on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @06:48PM (#6729479)
The paragraphs aren't very long.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by gruseom on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @07:10PM (#6729585)
I originally wrote it as one monolithic paragraph with just the last line separate at the end. I thought it would be funny that way, plus capture the feeling of being faced with all those details. But some people found it annoying, so I relented.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by ultimoo on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:22PM (#6728646)
Great writeup! I enjoyed reading it. As someone who moved to the Bay Area last year, I think most American systems are geared toward utterly fast and effortless everyday use at the cost of steep initial learning curves.

Which probably makes sense, I take the Caltrain everyday and almost 99% of the passengers on the express trains are everyday seasoned commuters.

Airports on the contrary are geared toward first-time use rather than everyday efficiency -- which sounds sensible too.

However, none of this explains the awful analog Caltrain ticket machines.

Insert Clipper Card

Remove Clipper Card

Insert Credit Card in the same slot

Remove Credit Card

Insert Clipper Card again (in the same slot

Please wait... Dialing Host

(10 seconds) Connection succeeded

(10 seconds) Authorized

Remove Clipper Card

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by dasil003 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:29PM (#6728693)
Oh can you finally top up Clipper at the friggin station?!
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by benlangmuir on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:51PM (#6727958)
I went through this very recently (heading to Sunnyvale rather than Mountain View), and the only improvement I can offer for a first timer is to keep an eye out for Caltrain pamphlets that list all the schedules, fares, zones, and whether each train will be an express train or not.

Of course said pamphlet will not be available on the Caltrain platform, but I found one in a rack at the top of the staircase at Millbrae.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by 205guy on Thursday November 14, 2013 @03:48AM (#6731319)
That pamphlet is called a schedule, it is posted in every station, and it is surprisingly readable and understandable. Only the larger stations have copies of the schedule to take, as well as on board every train. The only cryptic things are the train numbers, but you don't really need them, especially now that stations have real-time train arrival signs.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by moreentropy on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:41PM (#6728763)
Dude,

I've never used BART/Caltrain so I can't say if it's that horrible, but most of the stuff you talk about sounds like totally normal train riding issues you'll find everywhere.

How to get there, what's their take on fares, how are the lines organized, how bad will the ticket machine suck, how to not miss my destination, how does entry/exit/transfer work, that's it. Nothing special or challenging for anyone who uses public transit on a semi regular basis.

I usually research the workings of the local public transport before i go somewhere. That's 20 minutes (on the plane/train) well spent, because all cities have a slightly different approach to the same problem. Someone should really make a website for this that boils all the facts of the world's transit systems down to a cheat sheet.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by sanskritabelt on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @05:03PM (#6728940)
I used to think like that, then I took Caltrain for the first time.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @07:01PM (#6729534)
Thank you so much. I've often said that travel is a skill, and couldn't really express exactly why I've grown more comfortable with it over time, but this is perfect.

Also, my first time to Europe, I tweeted something about being stressed about my first train ride. I got back several confused "Wait, trains are so simple, what are they like there???" This. This is what they're like here.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by angularly on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:30PM (#6727778)
no
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by rosser on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:45PM (#6728801)
"no", what?
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by mburns on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:17PM (#6728163)
This is a terrible rant written in block-of-text style, to make it seem foreboding.

You're cherry-picking things and describing them in the most difficult way possible. Any mass transit system is confusing at first. Bart+Caltrain are not particularly worse than the average.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by bronson on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:45PM (#6728343)
Yes, the Bart+Caltrain connection is insane. Are there any other popular public transit routes that take an hour or more plus a transfer to go like a mile?

I came somewhat close to missing an international flight when I waited 30 minutes at Millbrae and then for 45 minutes at San Bruno. Never again. I'll take a cab from Millbrae to SFO from here on out. Damn do I miss the Caltrain shuttle.

Bart is fine, Caltrain is OK, but the Bart+Caltrain+Millbrae connection is putrid. They should have just run the AirTrain out there.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @07:05PM (#6729554)
I once had BART break down on my way to the airport, and it was something straight out of a horror movie.

"Okay, so we're stopped. I'm going to get out and manually flip this switch. Then we have three more. Don't worry, I'll get you to the airport soon."

Every single part of my body was screaming "NO THIS IS LIKE A HORROR MOVIE, DON'T GET OUT OF THE TRAIN OR YOU'LL DIE!!!"

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by tfe on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:02PM (#6729836)
Oh, I was on that train. Ended up missing my flight.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:07PM (#6729855)
Small world. I just happened to have left early enough that it was fine.
Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by gruseom on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:29PM (#6728231)
Cherry-picking!? What did I leave out? :)

It's true that most of those details are not so bad. I've exaggerated in an attempt to recapture the feeling of being a beginner faced with all of them at the same time.

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by mburns on Saturday November 16, 2013 @02:58PM (#6746211)
Being a beginner in NYC, Boston or DC is just as daunting. I've had had to navigate transit systems as both a tourist and as a daily commuter, and calling Bart-Caltrain particularly worse than the equivalent worse parts of other metro systems is disingenuous.

It is pretty bad and could be a lot better, but the griping from Bay area people in this thread is ridiculous.

(and I get downvoted like this was Reddit?)

Re:How I Got Kicked Out of Y Combinator and Then Raised $6.5... by gruseom on Saturday November 16, 2013 @09:03PM (#6747207)
I didn't call Bart-Caltrain particularly worse, only hard to figure out for the first time, especially from the airport.