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Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by nether on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @05:32PM (#6721818)
Except liquid meal replacements already exist (Ensure etc.), and the entire world isn't Valley geeks.

You could eat cheap fast calories everyday but gourmet restaurants still thrive. Not everyone is obsessed with food practicality.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by jonnathanson on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @05:36PM (#6721853)
Personally speaking, I think the B2B market makes a lot of sense for Soylent. Especially sales to the military, space agencies, and maybe even white labeling for big food companies.

In the consumer space, sure, you have some "Valley geeks" who see food as more of a burden to be solved than a source of enjoyment or socialization. But you've also got folks like athletes, both professional and amateur (a much bigger consumer market). If (and it's a big if) Soylent satisfies the requirements of a high-intensity training program, then it could take off there. People who are obsessed with performance nutrition tend to place less emphasis on food-as-experience and more emphasis on food as fuel. That's the Soylent psychographic sweet spot.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by jw_ on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @05:44PM (#6721904)
Military organizations already spend a lot of time and money on food, given its overwhelming importance in things like fighting wars. I suspect "Valley nerdchow-paste" is not going to do a lot to raise morale.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by jonnathanson on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:05PM (#6722040)
"Military organizations already spend a lot of time and money on food, given its overwhelming importance in things like fighting wars"

Correct, which is why military branches are deep-pocketed potential buyers.

"I suspect "Valley nerdchow-paste" is not going to do a lot to raise morale."

In a military context it's not a meal replacement, per se. More of an emergency MRE or HDR replacement, provided it's more shelf stable and can compete on nutritional factors. (Big ifs, of course.) I don't disagree that morale is a concern, though. MREs are nasty, but they're at least attempting to be palatable within the confines of their purpose.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by microtherion on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:04PM (#6722866)
Indeed. Military organizations have learned over several millennia that serving unappealing food to heavily armed and lethally trained people is bound to lead to suboptimal outcomes.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:43PM (#6722557)
> Personally speaking, I think the B2B market makes a lot of sense for Soylent. Especially sales to the military, space agencies, and maybe even white labeling for big food companies.

Last I heard, the main focus of new food efforts for the military is long-shelf-life food that does a better job of emulating "normal" food. Because it makes a pretty big difference to morale.

> In the consumer space, sure, you have some "Valley geeks" who see food as more of a burden to be solved than a source of enjoyment or socialization. But you've also got folks like athletes, both professional and amateur (a much bigger consumer market).

A market that's highly saturated with well-established nutritional supplements and meal substitute powders, shakes, etc. The one space where Soylent has an advantage over established market players is in marketing to Valley geeks that are insulated from the other markets for this kind of product (some of which is of the "this product is a good fit for you" type, and some of which is "this product is a solution to all kinds of other things for which there are not currently solutions" type, but both of those are marketing messages for Soylent that are mostly successful with the same demographic.)

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by segmondy on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @05:50PM (#6721938)
You are counting out lazy people. There are lots of lazy people who find it even a burden to grocery shop, unpack and microwave food.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by kamaal on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @11:12PM (#6723298)
Jeez, where are we heading to?

I would consider 'microwave food' as lazy. Food is the at most basic necessity of your body, with air, water, shelter and clothes.

Are people really so busy that you can't get off your keyboard to eat something? I am not sure if that is the case merely using Soylent is going to fix any of your problems.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by vidarh on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:47PM (#6723012)
I love good food. But I fall in the amateur athlete category, and for me getting the right nutrition mix is a massive chore on a day to day basis. I would never go to just Soylent, but I'd love to experiment with substituting a number of meals with it.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by gotrecruit on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @10:11PM (#6723103)
as an amateur athlete, it's time you learn about sports supplements. if you had, you'll come to realize there are many meal replacement products that can easily satisfy your needs and that has been around for decades. EAS myoplex is the first that comes to mind that not only has a lot of important nutrients, but actually tastes pretty good in my opinion.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by vidarh on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @10:30PM (#6723167)
The condescending tone is unwarranted and distasteful.

Especially when you so totally miss the point of Soylent vs. sports supplements like Myoplex: The latter are not in any way trying to provide the same. They generally aim for roughly a certain mix of proteins, carbs and fats + various mixes of other ingredients that often seem to be chosen mostly to be buzzword complete.

In fact, here's some sales copy regarding Myoplex:

"EAS recommends supplementing your diet with 2-3 high quality Myoplex nutrition shakes along with 3-4 whole food meals a day to ensure that any nutritional "gaps" are filled. "

I use a lot of supplements - for my protein intake I use or have used a variety of shakes, bars, muffins (yes...), cookies, to complement my high protein "real foods". To date I have never found a sports supplement that tastes nice without being way too high calorie for my use, but I can tolerate that for the convenience.

But more importantly: most sport supplements are very limited in their overall nutritional profile. For a reason - for protein heavy products people tend to focus on whey and to a lesser extent casein, and most products aim to minimize other ingredients unless that are products for specific other purposes, such as weight gainers etc. They're supplements for occasional meal replacement. They are not intended to replace food in general.

And exactly what appeals to me about Soylent is that it might provide a good alternative to fill those "nutritional gaps" mentioned in the Myoplex sales copy, which are pretty much inevitable if you were to stick with only regular sports supplements. As I said: I'm not interested in replacing food entirely, but having something available that I can have reasonable confidence is reasonably complete, that I know the calorie content of by volume, so it's easy to measure and keep track, and that is quick and convenient for when I don't have the time or want the hassle of sorting out a proper meal would be great.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by foobarqux on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:49PM (#6722301)
Maybe they should be a Herbalife and do multi-level marketing.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by darkxanthos on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:16PM (#6722114)
What this really means is Ensure and the like just need an image overall. Rebrand something like that and they're probably on equal footing again.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @05:55PM (#6721976)
Where would you rather eat on the go? Mcdonalds? Or a Soylent vending machine?

I've had enough Mcdonalds for this lifetime. Bring on the Soylent vending machines!

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by Sargos on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:53PM (#6722317)
Hmm, delicious cheeseburger or tasteless goop in a can? That's a tough one.

Maybe my sarcasm detector is off but I don't see how this is a real question.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:58PM (#6722346)
Because there's nothing I love more than factory farmed animal protein and excessive, unneeded carbohydrates.

Delicious cheeseburger? Have you even eaten at a McDonalds?

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by sneak on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:26PM (#6722941)
McDonalds is fucking delicious.

I'd still much rather put bland goop into my body considering how terrible the contents of a Big 'n' Tasty combo meal is for my health.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by kamaal on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @11:17PM (#6723312)
I'm pretty darn sure the bland goop eaten in the same quantity is as equally dangerous.

Ever heard of the term 'balanced diet'?

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by sneak on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @12:05PM (#6726548)
What's unbalanced about Soylent?
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by bentcorner on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:21PM (#6722441)
Let's recognize the fact that McDonald's food actually tastes good to a large portion of the population, for better or worse. To do otherwise is, IMO, harmful to the discussion of improving what we eat as a society.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:32PM (#6722761)
Let's also recognize that the American public fails in an epic fashion at nutritional choices:

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html [More than one-third of U.S. adults (35.7%) are obese.]

http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/statistics.htm [Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the United States.]

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by oftenwrong on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:24PM (#6722465)
Millions of people eat at McDonalds and like it. Most people would choose the McDonalds burger. The people that give a shit about factory farming and nutrition are in the minority.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by ryanSrich on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:22PM (#6722449)
That's what YOU want. Compare that to the status quo and it's hard to argue against the fatty, grease filled cheeseburger.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by MarcusVorenus on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:06PM (#6722663)
Delicious unhealthy cheeseburger or a tasteless but healthy goop in a can? I guess you're right, it's a no-brainer either for people with self-discipline and for those without.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:08PM (#6722668)
> Delicious unhealthy cheeseburger or a tasteless but healthy goop in a can?

I choose -- false dichotomy. Plenty of healthy and not tasteless quick meal replacements that already exist.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by MarcusVorenus on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:31PM (#6722753)
Such option was not presented in the hypothetical scenario. It'd be trivial anyway to make the tasteless goop tasty with some flavorings.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by djur on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:57PM (#6722827)
If you think it is "trivial" to make a bland substance taste good without substantially changing the nutritional makeup of that substance, there are a lot of diet food companies who would like to have a chat with you and make you fabulously rich. Jamba Juice would like to know the secret, too.

Most things that innately taste good -- stuff that you could drop in a blender and drink and it'd still be agreeable -- are fatty, salty, starchy, sugary, or some mix of all these. Healthy and good-tasting food requires pleasant textures and careful composition that allows a small amount of fat, salt, starch, etc. to enhance the flavor of the whole meal.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by MarcusVorenus on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @10:05PM (#6723073)
I guess I should have said it would be trivial to make it tastier for my own non-demanding taste buds. I could just add a few drops of stevia and I'd be good to go, but I see how it could be a challenge to make something that pleases most people.

"Fatty" is not a synonym for unhealthy by the way. A lot of people consider high fat/low carb diets to be healthier than the reverse.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @12:21AM (#6723515)
OP here. I'm currently on the keto diet; fat, in moderation, fat is definitely not unhealthy.

The problem is, McDonalds meals are not healthy, full stop:

Mcdonald's - Big Mac Meal With Fries and Coke With No Onions

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/mcdonalds-big-mac-...

1130 Calories, and 67 grams of sugar. Call me when McDonalds modifies their meals to consist primarily of protein/fat calories.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by Erwin on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @06:30AM (#6724521)
Don't get fries. Don't get a drink with sugar added. Definitely don't get a milkshake or cookies.

The burger itself is fine. You wouldn't go to Subway for a nice sandwich and drink a liter of Coke afterwards and a bag of chips and complain about how unhealthy it is.

Here you can get some nice fresh crispy raw carrots instead of fries.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @09:40PM (#6730191)
> Such option was not presented in the hypothetical scenario.

Right...that's why I called the scenario a false dichotomy.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by Gigablah on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:35PM (#6722769)
Where did you get the idea that it's "tasteless"?
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by lbebber on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:37PM (#6722527)
Hahah, delicious?
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by TillE on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:51PM (#6722594)
This is one of the more obscure "internet things that irk me", but particularly on HN I keep seeing the word "delicious" applied to any food that is minimally palatable.

The word itself is starting to grate on me, as "lecker" in German already does thanks to its overuse.

Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by smspence on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @05:47PM (#6721923)
In my mind, I think of Soylent as "food for people who don't like food". In the same way I think of Nickelback or American Idol as "music for people who don't like music". There are millions of these people worldwide. But yes, obviously this doesn't apply to 100% of all people.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by solarmist on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:25PM (#6722186)
I personally see food in two lights a necessity and a luxury. Most of the time it is simply a necessity and Soylent will do. The rest of the time it is a luxury and I'll go cook a nice meal or go to a restaurant.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by MarcusVorenus on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:19PM (#6722702)
Actually I like food a lot, it's just that health is more important to me than taste. After all, the pleasure we get from tasty food only lasts a moment, while the pleasure we get from having a healthy body and mind lasts a lifetime.
Re:Soylent on the latest Vice piece by smspence on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @11:23PM (#6723332)
I agree with your main point that long-term health is very important, but I'm hoping you're not saying that healthy food and tasty food are mutually exclusive.