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Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by derekp7 on Monday October 07, 2013 @06:50PM (#6511855)
So the solution is to have some sort of premium content Internet pass. It costs $10 a month, but can be used to get free content at whatever sites are signed up with it. Kind of like Amazon Prime, but with an arbitrary number of vendors. Then, the $10 per user is split among all the products that the user uses it with.

Now here's the kicker -- come up with a marketing deal with various ISPs, where they can include this with their subscriptions. Either as a premium that comes automatically with their higher-speed tiers, or something that can be billed as extra for the lower speed tiers.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by patio11 on Monday October 07, 2013 @11:10PM (#6512801)
Google has developed this pass, and sell about $15 billion or so of it a year, with roughly $10 billion of that distributed to publishers. (Pulling numbers from memory -- check their quarterlies for the up-to-date ones.) The genius was denominating the end-user price in attention, which doesn't require a credit card number to transact in (single-click transactions, no information required, and no penny gap -- whee!), and then selling attention of desirable users to advertisers for substantial amounts of money.

Given the substantial success of Google at doing this, any micropayments system doesn't just have to clear the "Will this be better than putting up a paywall?" hurdle for every site it signs up, it also has to clear "Is this better than the largest, most entrenched, most locked-in, most supported, most widely distributed economic engine on the Internet?"

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by jacques_chester on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:19AM (#6514607)
Contenture bet on users being prepared to pay to have ad-free sites. They gave up early; but to be honest their "no ads" scheme wasn't going to work anyway. It relied on a piece of javascript removing common ad blocks from the DOM.

The main problem is reliably identifying who is a legitimate subscriber. I happen to have a robust solution for that problem which this margin is too small to contain.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by TylerE on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @08:12PM (#6524835)
That part is easy...just require logins and don't serve the content at all unless they are authorized to see it.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by jacques_chester on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @10:18PM (#6525302)
You're thinking of paywalls; it's a different model.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by joanofarf on Monday October 07, 2013 @08:52PM (#6512302)
You'd have a hard time setting a monthly price that is acceptable to both consumers and publishers. The New York Times runs anywhere from $16 to $30 per month, depending on which level access you're willing to pay for. The Washington Post is $9.99 per month. You'd likely need to bundle in at least one top publication to sell people on the subscription, and every site you add will jack the price up based on the price they can demand for access to just their site.

I think a better solution be an E-ZPass equivalent for the web. Subscribers add credits to their accounts ($1.00 = 100 or 1,000 credits), and publishers can set the tolls for their content however they want, i.e., 1 credit per article, 5 credits after your 10th article, 1,000 credits for a week on the site, etc.

I'm not convinced that micropayments can't work in combination with other revenue models.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by jacques_chester on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:47PM (#6512724)
Prepaid micropayments has been tried. It doesn't work because it requires people to think and they hate that.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by Kylekramer on Monday October 07, 2013 @08:07PM (#6512155)
Sounds like a lot like the old Readability (except with a hard paywall instead of donation model). I liked Readability idea in concept, but it didn't exactly take off.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by jacques_chester on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:55PM (#6512751)
Readability made three errors, in my opinion:

1. They charged too little. Far too little.

2. In an attempt to be more viral, they took payment for websites that were non-participants, with the theory that this would entice them to sign up to receive payment. What happened is that they ended up with a pile of zombie cash that they could not touch.

3. They routed everything through their servers, meaning that a large fraction of their costs was controlled by third parties. This is connected to 1.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by TylerE on Monday October 07, 2013 @06:54PM (#6511872)
Yea, pretty much, that's where I think it should go. Sort of Spotify for written content.

Some very high profile outlets (WSJ, NY Times, New Yorker, the Economist) might be able to make their own things work, but those are the exception, not the rule.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by walid on Monday October 07, 2013 @07:34PM (#6512051)
I'm sorry but you're wrong with the elitist view you're taking on paid content. The problem is not that high profile publishers succeed while others fail. The real problem is that no new monetizing mechanism is used. Take in-app purchasing as a payment model for news and voila, money rolls in the coffers.

To make a point, FarmVille is not high profile. It is for everyone who is anyone. On the other hand EA bought a game called Pet Society which had a loyal following whom I knew some of. The first thing EA did was change the payment model and then all hell broke loose. People I personally know started complaining and EA eventually closed down that game. The problem is not in either elitism or micro-payments but rather in the sales approach.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by joanofarf on Monday October 07, 2013 @07:41PM (#6512070)
Sort of Spotify for written content.

Wouldn't this end up leaving even more money on the table? Spotify pays artists based on their share of total plays.

Say two sites (X and Y) join up to offer a $10/month pass for unlimited access to both sites, with the say pay scheme as Spotify. Site X has 3 times as many articles/videos as Site Y. If every user reads/watches 100% of Site Y's content, Site X may still receive an equal or larger share of the payouts even though users consumed a much lower percentage of it.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by cmsmith on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:10PM (#6512598)
If you make the assumption that each piece of 'content' takes the same amount of effort/money to produce, that's not really a problem. Site X has presumably spent 3 times as much on content creation, so it's fine for them to get 3 times the revenue (assuming equal quality).

The problem I see is that with spotify it's pretty easy to determine the rate of content consumption (e.g. songs or minutes listened). News sites are pretty adept at turning one piece of content into many (multi-page articles or slideshows), and the system would have to protect against that.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by TylerE on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:18PM (#6512621)
Another option might be to proportion revenue in accordance with membership sources into the cartel. E.g. if site 1 delivers 10 new subscribers, and site 2 brings in 2 new subscribers, the money goes to the sites in a 5:1 ratio, minus maybe 10% off the top for operating expenses.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by TylerE on Monday October 07, 2013 @07:49PM (#6512106)
I don't know - but I suspect some reasonably equitable scheme could be figured.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by crazygringo on Monday October 07, 2013 @07:49PM (#6512105)
I've thought that for years. But not only has nobody done it, I've never seen any of the publishers even try. I thought it would have happened by now.

I'm wondering why not. Spotify did it for music. Netflix does it for some movies/TV. Why are periodicals not?

Heck, if airlines can band together in FF mile "alliances", why can't newspapers do the same? It would be a good way to start -- subscribe to NYT and get Washington Post + 20 other city newspapers.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by joanofarf on Monday October 07, 2013 @08:24PM (#6512208)
Netflix replaces DVD rentals and purchases, not the initial product, which is the release in theatres or the initial broadcast on television. You can still make money in the box office and on advertising. For news outlets and periodicals, their websites replace their initial product, the publication itself. Spotify falls somewhere between the two: streaming music can replace the intial product of a CD, LP or download, but it's also allows you to offer a new product to people that would never purchase the initial one.

Another point to consider is that piracy has had a huge impact on the music, movie and television industries. They had to compete against free. Netflix and Spotify may make less money for labels and producers than DVD and CD sales did, but it's more than they get from everyone who would torrent their stuff instead.

If you bundled unlimited access to multiple publications for a monthly fee, and distributed payouts to publishers based on their share of views/reads, you'd just end up reproducing the current situation, where the competition for pageviews is a race to the bottom.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by jacques_chester on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:44PM (#6512713)
I happen to be working on exactly this. I call it "microsubscription".

The idea pops up periodically because it's an obvious one. But nobody has made it stick yet. Not Kachingle, or Sprinklepenny, or Contenture, or Readability.

Naturally I think I have the twist that makes it work, but the base rate on this is so far pretty underwhelming.

Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by TylerE on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:47PM (#6512726)
It's a tough problem. I personally select we would need a great "free internet die-off" as will be coming as the newspapers further collapse before things become amenable to that sort of model. SOMEONE has to pay for the original content creation...and right now that's usually subsidized by some sort of print publication.
Re:How Bitcoin Can Save Publishing by jacques_chester on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:52PM (#6512739)
Well as I say, I believe I have some twists that will make it work.

I also have a fairly substantial step forward in the tracking technology which underlies it -- the usual methods are borrowed from advertising systems and they are open to all sorts of falsification attacks. It didn't matter because nobody got any traction.