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Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by guard-of-terra on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:52PM (#6181812)
You never know where those fixed-service-percentage money go to.

I've visited quite a few 10% "service" restaurants and I often leave a small tip on top of that because I'm entirely not sure whether waiters see any money from that "service".

The whole scheme is ridiculous: If you pay 18% for service, what are you paying the rest of 100% for? It doesn't make much sense. Just name your final price.

Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by seanalltogether on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:37PM (#6182113)
> and I often leave a small tip on top of that because I'm entirely not sure whether waiters see any money from that "service".

Isn't this a crazy sentiment though? It's like we've all been trained to pity waiters and unless we're handing them money directly we're worried they might go home empty handed. How did we get to this point?

Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by guard-of-terra on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:48PM (#6182178)
Yeah it is a crazy sentiment.

If we weren't crazy on this part we would refuse paying anything not on the bill. Like we do in grocery store.

Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by derobert on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:57PM (#6182236)
FYI: The "just add it to the item price" was covered in Part 4. Its linked at the bottom of the article, or here it is directly: http://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-...
Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by dhm116 on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:02PM (#6181895)
To your point - yes, adding on an extra 18% doesn't make much sense when they could have simply incorporated that into their menu prices. You will never be certain how the money is divvied up, regardless of whether you are paying additional tips or not...

That being said, patrons are accustomed to paying an additional fee when dining out; so rather than simply raise prices (which I'm sure would elicit grumbling and/or loss of patronage), they maintained the expectation of paying an additional amount for the service they've received.

Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by guard-of-terra on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:08PM (#6181933)
Yes they can do that without much resistance from their customers, but imagine some other business* smuggling hidden fees into your bill - you will feel offended and cheated. This marks restaurants as an unusual business.

* I was going to call telcos an example, but then I don't know whether they don't already do that in the US. Or indeed anywhere. Which is a bit scary if you ask me.

Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by guard-of-terra on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:55PM (#6181843)
P. S. Why were those persons angry? Maybe you didn't make it clear that you collect fixed "service" fees? You should write it somewhere in the menu, or else it's a rip off.
Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by maaku on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:27PM (#6182049)
On the contrary, in some states a “service charge” has to be shared among the employees. By separating the charge they are relinquishing the possibility of doing anything else.
Re:Observations From a Tipless Restaurant, Part 5: Sex, Powe... by Fuzzwah on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:57PM (#6182238)
You struggle to understand that the margins in food service are amazingly thin?