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Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by jdale27 on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @06:42PM (#5987961)
According to Techcrunch, the price was "somewhere in the $60 million-plus range" (http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/03/source-xobni-was-acquired-f...). That makes it look a little better, considering they raised nearly $42 million over the years.
Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by mathrawka on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @07:16PM (#5988118)
I imagine they raised that $42m at a higher valuation... giving investors preferred stock, meaning normal stock for employees was worth nothing.
Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by Zelphyr on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @08:33PM (#5988434)
Proof of why, as jwz says, stock options are a stupid tax and a lottery.
Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by mattmaroon on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @08:59PM (#5988559)
It's not fair to call them a lottery because as a class they have a positive expectation. (At worst they are worth $0, but clearly some make money.) They're not a tax either.

They're just a riskier form of compensation. Like any investment, you get a premium based on the level of risk. Their expected value is still pretty good though if you're working for a good startup.

Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by Andnowfor on Thursday July 04, 2013 @02:41AM (#5989453)
Correction Matt, if you purchase them (as an employee) their cost is definitely not zero, therefore you can lose money.
Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by Zelphyr on Friday July 05, 2013 @02:22PM (#5996070)
Agreed. Also, when you choose options over salary then their cost is greater than $0 because thats money you otherwise would have received had you chosen salary. When the options cannot be exercised because they have little to no value (which, in my experience, is nearly always the case) then you actually lose money.
Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by mathrawka on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @09:14PM (#5988612)
I think the stupid tax part comes from the daydreamers who believe if they work their ass off (more hours than a 9-5 job), they will get there millions. Hopefully after doing that once they realize it takes more than putting tons of hours in and you should focus on doing things you enjoy, both in and out of the office.
Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by Zelphyr on Friday July 05, 2013 @02:27PM (#5996099)
I think the point he (jwz) was trying to make when he used the words "tax" and "lottery" is that they are, on average, not things you want to spend money on. Not that options are an ACTUAL tax or lottery. "Stupid tax" meaning (quoting Urban Dictionary) the price you pay for ignorance.

"Lottery" in the sense that, yes, someone is going to win it. Its just not going to be you, statistically.

Re:Yahoo acquires Xobni by Andnowfor on Thursday July 04, 2013 @02:43AM (#5989463)
Don't forget the founders, which likely had common. If current management has no desire to do right by early employees, common can be set to $0.