Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by davorak on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:34PM
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It seems unlikely that if they offered asylum they would then reject it after he arrived in the country. An application can not hurt and makes it likely for the country to make a public statement.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by anigbrowl on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:36PM
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We do have a constitutional position of neutrality, which may underpin his appeal. But since he's not fleeing an armed conflict I don't see this availing him particularly.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by zokier on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @07:37AM
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Seems like most of Europe will require asylum applications to be left in person inside the country. That will make Snowdens life bit more difficult, especially as his mobility seems bit limited atm.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by kailuowang on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:49PM
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The question here is if that government is willing to encourage such leak against secret agencies of a government. If a government granted Snowden such asylum, what kind of signal it sends to its own employees?
I am a supporter of Snowden, but I doubt there is a "free" government that will take the same side as Snowden against the U.S. government. Snowden might have a better chance with a government that deem U.S. government as an enemy such as Cuba. But there might be a dilemma that the U.S. government can portrait him as one that took the enemy's side.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by hkmurakami on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:21PM
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Hmm. Ecuador afaik has been wavering a bit under US diplomatic pressure in the past week as far as I could tell, but I wonder if these now applications will impel them to act wrt Snowden. I imagine the courtry derives some benefit from being the mindshare owner as safehaven for the recent whisteblowers.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by staunch on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:45PM
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Smart move including all these countries. The media in each country will report on it, and the citizens will be forced to think about it. A groundswell may form in one of them.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by tszyn on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:35PM
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While it would make me proud if my country granted asylum to Snowden, I'm quite sure that no European politician will dare provoke the wrath of the American Empire -- there would be no clear benefits but obvious disadvantages.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by mbillie1 on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:40PM
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IANAL and I know nothing about the logistics/legality of this, but is it possible to appeal to the EU at large rather than specific nations? Or for a nation receiving such an application to appeal to the EU for validation of its acceptance of that application? It seems like "Germany, with the support of the EU" would be more weighty than "Germany", just as an example.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by haldujai on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:48PM
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The EU has been trying to do this for over a decade [1] but it hasn't been fully implemented yet.
That said they have implemented a directive [1] on how to handle asylum requests which is a great improvement on the previous system of the lowest standards of any relevant country are applied to all of the requests.
I think the issue preventing a common system is state sovereignty. States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations. Not that this should be a factor in deciding whether to grant asylum.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by mbillie1 on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:12PM
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> States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations.
And it's tricky, when you might have asylum requests between EU nations. I understand the complexities. It just seems that, even if merely a vocalization (like the US Senate "resolutions"), it could carry some weight to have numerous EU countries vocalize their support for something like this. Although perhaps I am simply naive.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by ekianjo on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @12:54AM
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> States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties
'like us' ? I don't know who you are referring to when you write 'us' (the HN crowd, maybe) but if you refer to citizens in general it doesn't seem like they care about giving up their rights and liberties that much after all that has been happening progressively since the Patriot Act.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by teawithcarl on Monday July 01, 2013 @09:59PM
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A large contingent of mainstream European nations included. Europe stepping forward to defend Snowden and stand against surveillance may tilt the balance. Europe is quite angry about being the "OK to do 100% surveillance on" foreigners.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by sneak on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:04PM
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Well, except the UK and Germany, who both secretly participated (and presumably benefitted in return). It's hard to find bigger influencers of the EU than those two. :/
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by hkmurakami on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:18PM
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>Though, if it ends up being France, I will run out and buy a TV just to watch the stupidity that will come out of TV news afterward. :D
Such an event would mark one of the few times in recent memory of the benefit of having family members who watch TV (I, much like you, do not any more). It will be theater live none other.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by teawithcarl on Monday July 01, 2013 @11:17PM
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Germany's in the list, and a solid candidate due to their past WWII disdain for surveillance, as well as Germany's privacy concerns about the Internet.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by laureny on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @12:17AM
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"Europe" can be as angry as it wants, at the end of the day, it's a singly country that will have to give asylum to Snowden, and I can't imagine a single country in all of Europe (including Russia) that would challenge the US in that way.
The only countries I can see willing to take that risk would be the likes of Iran, Afghanistan or other similar enemies of the US.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by danmaz74 on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @01:41AM
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This is one of the big reasons why I really want the EU to become a federation: Each country alone, even Germany, is too little on the World stage. Divide et impera.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by llamataboot on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:45PM
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Some of these seem like shots in the dark, but I can't imagine both Cuba and Venezuela not offering Snowden asylum if he can get there. They really have nothing to lose in the pissing-the-US off department.
an EU country offering asylum would indeed be huge, I just can't see it happening.
Re:Edward Snowden submits asylum applications
by llomlup on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @02:10AM
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I would have asked Serbia as well. Although they're a small country, they could resist US because of Snowden. They have been bombarded by NATO and later, they've been forced to accept a secession of Kosovo.
Bolivia
Brazil
China
Cuba
Finland
France
Germany
India
Italy
Ireland
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Norway
Poland
Russia
Spain
Switzerland
Venezuela
Sounds like Mr. Snowden's run is winding down.
Cowards. I am ashamed of them.
Edit: I see that he already has applied for asylum in Iceland and Ecuador.
I am a supporter of Snowden, but I doubt there is a "free" government that will take the same side as Snowden against the U.S. government. Snowden might have a better chance with a government that deem U.S. government as an enemy such as Cuba. But there might be a dilemma that the U.S. government can portrait him as one that took the enemy's side.
That said they have implemented a directive [1] on how to handle asylum requests which is a great improvement on the previous system of the lowest standards of any relevant country are applied to all of the requests.
[1]http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asy...
I think the issue preventing a common system is state sovereignty. States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations. Not that this should be a factor in deciding whether to grant asylum.
And it's tricky, when you might have asylum requests between EU nations. I understand the complexities. It just seems that, even if merely a vocalization (like the US Senate "resolutions"), it could carry some weight to have numerous EU countries vocalize their support for something like this. Although perhaps I am simply naive.
'like us' ? I don't know who you are referring to when you write 'us' (the HN crowd, maybe) but if you refer to citizens in general it doesn't seem like they care about giving up their rights and liberties that much after all that has been happening progressively since the Patriot Act.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/nsa-spies-on-500...
Though, if it ends up being France, I will run out and buy a TV just to watch the stupidity that will come out of TV news afterward. :D
Time for the "Freedom Fries" to come back ? :)
Such an event would mark one of the few times in recent memory of the benefit of having family members who watch TV (I, much like you, do not any more). It will be theater live none other.
The only countries I can see willing to take that risk would be the likes of Iran, Afghanistan or other similar enemies of the US.
Not going to happen.
an EU country offering asylum would indeed be huge, I just can't see it happening.
Gee, I wonder why...