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Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by AJ007 on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:33PM (#5935836)
When I was a kid (Napster era) I paid for nothing. The artists weren't stream-able, so there were no royalties either. Today I buy every damn song I listen to, thousands of dollars worth. When an artist I like comes out with a new CD, I buy it immediately.

I don't use Spotify or Google Music. I don't know what they pay to the artist. What I do know is my friends that use them have zero reason to buy a CD. I also know even the more obscure stuff shows up on there. Once they are older and have a family, they certainly don't have time to go to more than a couple of concerts a year, and they most likely are not wearing band t-shirts past 30.

The way radio worked, you heard a song once and a while, liked it, most of the artist's other songs you rarely or never heard. There was a big incentive to buy the CD.

Musicians need to have a freemium model, where you get free, unrestricted access to some songs, and then if you absolutely love the band you pay for the rest (or you can pirate it, but there are a few hoops to jump through for that one.) It has to be convenient, on demand, and a single standard. May be its lossless audio, or may be its just mastered differently. Someone who knows more about music would have to figure it out.

Despite all of this, my favorite musicians regularly release new albums. There are a few duds, but the music is good. Countless genres blended together and mutated, with virtually unlimited choices. As far as I'm concerned, this is a music renaissance.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by gonzo on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:21PM (#5936139)
... " they most likely are not wearing band t-shirts past 30."

hey there now, sonny. I'm 51, and some of them still fit just fine, thanks. I even go to several concerts each year.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by dllthomas on Monday June 24, 2013 @08:35PM (#5936715)
Seriously. My father, while he was still alive, wore way more band shirts than I ever did.
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by jyap on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:55PM (#5935983)
"Today I buy every damn song I listen to, thousands of dollars worth"

Why do you do this? You know that most of the money for an album doesn't go to the artist? Do you buy the physical CD or do you buy the song on iTunes?

The vast vast majority of people do not have thousands of dollars to spend on music.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by anigbrowl on Monday June 24, 2013 @07:17PM (#5936374)
Why do you do this? You know that most of the money for an album doesn't go to the artist?

You don't know that, because you don't know what sort of music he listens to or what deals those artists have with their labels. There are certainly cases where labels fuck artists, but there are a lot of others where they deliver value. This idea of blaming all the big bad labels is little more than an excuse not to pay for music. Along the way, it's crushed lots of small independent labels that had great partnerships with their artists but get blamed for the perceived moral failings of the majors.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by shiven on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @08:14AM (#5938851)
So why didn't those small independent labels ask their artists to come out swinging for them and champion their cause? Or better, why didn't the artists who (apparently) loved their labels advocate for them in the greater public media?
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by lawnchair_larry on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:30PM (#5936177)
> Why do you do this? You know that most of the money for an album doesn't go to the artist? Do you buy the physical CD or do you buy the song on iTunes?

You know that if you spend $0, the artist gets nothing, right? Then their label drops them because they aren't profitable.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by philhippus on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:41PM (#5936216)
>if you spend $0, the artist gets nothing, right?

not necessarily. I'm quite happy to be shown ads while I stream that generate revenue for the artist.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by melvinram on Monday June 24, 2013 @09:44PM (#5936975)
The share that the artist gets doesn't change just because it's ad revenue. You simply pay less and the artist gets less.
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by enraged_camel on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @01:11AM (#5937656)
Unless you do what I do, which is mail a check directly to the artist.

I'm not even kidding. Nothing is stopping you from writing a $50 check and sending it as a donation.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by melvinram on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @04:15AM (#5938162)
I buy at least $30 of music each month from iTunes. Finding the addresses of these artists, writing a check and sending it their way would be more hassle than I care to go through.

If the artists don't like the deal that labels are giving them, they don't have to take it. They can build their own fan base, learn marketing, get exposure and sell their own stuff through iTunes and other places. A lot of artists are opting to do just that.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by shawnc on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:58PM (#5936291)
Right. Cause you're totally just staring at the screen that is playing the music, not at all doing something else while the music plays.
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by aidos on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:13PM (#5936091)
I'm not sure what you're arguing against here. Is it a problem that he spent thousands on music? In the last 7 years I've spend circa $6,000 on one service alone (emusic). I used to spend $500+ per month on vinyl. Hell, I even steal it sometimes too.

I know that the money doesn't all go to the artists - what would you have me (or the GP) do instead, not pay for any of it?

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by chill1 on Monday June 24, 2013 @08:21PM (#5936654)
> I know that the money doesn't all go to the artists - what would you have me (or the GP) do instead, not pay for any of it?

Mail them a check. Mail them cash. Hand them cash in person. Send them bitcoins; if they're tech-savvy enough.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by metachor on Monday June 24, 2013 @08:38PM (#5936723)
That's disingenuous. How well would it scale for a musician to personally handle depositing checks from millions of fans? There is a very good reason that many musicians become involved with labels, promoters, distributors, etc., which is to free up the time of the artist to focus on what they are actually interested in doing: writing and playing music.
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by dragonwriter on Monday June 24, 2013 @08:42PM (#5936737)
> How well would it scale for a musician to personally handle depositing checks from millions of fans?

Like many scaling problems, that's a good problem to have: at that point, you can afford to have people working for you depositing checks, which is pretty much the inverse of the power relationship artists have with labels.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by yardie on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @03:22AM (#5938032)
> the inverse of the power relationship artists have with labels.

You don't know what the relationship with the label is. Some artists come in with their own label and only need distributor to reach a bigger audience (artists $$$/labels$$). Some come in completely unknown and the label has to front all the money (artists $ / label $$$$), and some are quite happy to be on a smaller label and let the label handle the business side of things.

> at that point, you can afford to have people working for you depositing checks

...and paying royalties for samples, collaborators, songwriters. Well now we have to hire a guy to handle all of this and you can either pay him/her a salary or a cut of the sales. Now we've slipped back into the label distributor problem.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by fnordfnordfnord on Tuesday June 25, 2013 @09:07AM (#5939109)
>How well would it scale for a musician to personally handle depositing checks from millions of fans?

Many of them do a good job handling fan mail. It sounds like a nice problem to have.

>There is a very good reason that many musicians become involved with labels, promoters, distributors, etc.

There are some good reasons for artists to outsource administrative errands, management. There's also the crappy reason that is the monopolization of the major distribution channels.

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by aidos on Monday June 24, 2013 @09:22PM (#5936903)
And then steal the music? Then I wouldn't get to enjoy artwork like this: http://www.popsike.com/Lemon-Jelly-Lost-Horizons-LP-NM/29060... :)
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by voltagex_ on Monday June 24, 2013 @09:55PM (#5937011)
The issue I have is that the very first link in this search: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=lemon+jelly+flac

should be a link to somewhere I can buy albums for $10-15USD each.

I have been steadily moving to buying only digitally released music, but some artists and labels make this very difficult.

Doing it right are:

* Boomkat.com (reasonable FLAC surcharge)

* digital-tunes.com (same price for FLAC/MP3)

* bleep.com

* hdtracks.com (sort of, the markup is massive)

Failing are:

* Amazon, iTunes et al - ~256kbit-ish music, often mastered terribly. (Yes, I'm aware that AAC is a bit higher quality at the same bitrate)

* Beatport.com (you want me to pay how much extra for WAV?!)

* Almost every major label - I can't order lossless tracks from most of them

Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by noonespecial on Monday June 24, 2013 @06:42PM (#5936220)
It's an interesting question. Do you have a moral resposibilty to make sure the money you spend makes it to the artist, or did you just justify your lack of moral effort by saying "well I 'paid' for it, meh..." and how might this be different that just paying a few bucks for a Pandora membership.
Re:My Song Got Played On Pandora 1 Million Times and All I G... by bartwe on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:54PM (#5935972)
bandcamp is where that freemium model lives.