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Re:Maybe buses should be free by CaveTech on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @02:18PM (#5907230)
I don't think the issues are as cut and dry as you make them seem. I'd be willing to bet many of the prostitutes who are providing their services illegally would never be able to do so legally - as much more desirable people would begin to offer competing services. Believe it or not, many people also choose to be homeless; whether or not this is a result of another issue like drugs or mental illness is irrelevant. Many mentally ill people would rather deal with the disease than the treatment.

No doubt we could do more to aid societies issues, but it's unlikely that we'll ever fully resolve many of them.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by cstavish on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @03:03PM (#5907518)
I am by no means an expert on prostitution, but I don't think it's the illegality of prostitution that keeps many women from entering the market.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by jlgreco on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @03:07PM (#5907535)
It could be the reason of many, while not being the reason of most.

If comedy central has ever taught me anything, it is that there is still illegal prostitution in Reno, Nevada. ;)

Re:Maybe buses should be free by Retric on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:57PM (#5908631)
Oddly enough, prostitution is illegal in Reno, Navada and Las Vegas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

Which probably increases the amount of illegal prostitution in those areas.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by jlgreco on Thursday June 20, 2013 @01:41AM (#5910394)
Huh, I knew it was illegal in Vegas but I thought it was legal in Reno. TIL.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by krapp on Thursday June 20, 2013 @01:45AM (#5910405)
knew it was illegal in Vegas but I thought it was legal in Reno.

I'm sure the Reno Sheriff's department hears that a lot...

Re:Maybe buses should be free by SageRaven on Thursday June 20, 2013 @01:11PM (#5913240)
I believe the state law is that in any county where the population is under 400,000 residents, prostitution is legal, which rules out the main large cities in Nevada. I live in neighboring Utah, so I learn some interesting factoids about our neighbor once in a while.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by jholman on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @10:50PM (#5909866)
Oddly enough, if you read the link that you posted, you'd learn that contrary to your statement, prostitution is illegal in Reno and Las Vegas, and in fact in great swathes of Nevada (in particular, it's illegal in the areas where most NV residents live).
Re:Maybe buses should be free by nknighthb on Thursday June 20, 2013 @12:29AM (#5910149)
You may have read his link, but you certainly didn't read his comment.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by jholman on Thursday June 20, 2013 @02:24AM (#5910518)
Hmn. Apparently you are correct.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by bmelton on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @06:00PM (#5908656)
Illegality also leads to a potentially unsafe operation. Without legalizing something, there can't be any regulation of the industry. Prostitutes are obviously wary of calling the cops in the event that they are abused, mistreated, robbed, or whatever else.

Legalizing prostitution allows its workers to fall under police protection.

Illegality also leads to money hiding endeavors and tax fraud. Illegal sex workers are wary of setting up a real shop where they could implement security methods, or a guard to stand at the door in a brothel type operation.

Legalizing prostitution allows for better taxation, and less in the way of illicit venues.

I'm sure you're right in that every woman wouldn't turn to prostitution just because it became legal, but at least part of that should be attributed to the inherent danger of working in an illegal market with zero marketplace or police protections. We (hopefully) wouldn't see a huge spike in legitimate prostitution if it were legalized, but we would almost certainly see an uptick.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by DrStalker on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:48PM (#5909245)
> I'm sure you're right in that every woman wouldn't turn to prostitution just because it became legal

Prostitution is legal where I live (Australia) and I can confirm that not every woman has turned to prostitution.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by obtino on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @09:29PM (#5909625)
> Prostitution is legal where I live (Australia) and I can confirm that not every woman has turned to prostitution.

Indeed! It's the same in New Zealand.

As attractive as it may be (in terms of income) there are always inherent risks that come with every occupation.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by noloqy on Thursday June 20, 2013 @05:28AM (#5911055)
And here in Holland.

It even stimulates tourism. I wonder what would happen to the Amsterdam economy if legalization of softdrugs and prostitution becomes the global norm.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by brazzy on Thursday June 20, 2013 @07:57AM (#5911514)
Germany fully legalized and regulated prostitution some years ago. The last thing I've heard is that it's lead to an increase in illegal prostitution practices (taffickin, coercion) because the regulation is not enforced well and it's easy to have illegal practices behind a legal front.

Obviously, this should be solvable through better regulation enforcement - but there doesn't seem to be the political will to pay for that...

Re:Maybe buses should be free by makomk on Thursday June 20, 2013 @10:50AM (#5912390)
You'd hear that whether it was true or not, unfortunately; there are a lot of anti-trafficking activists who are ideologically wedded to banning prostitution and don't care too much about facts or whether it's actually benefical.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by dragonwriter on Thursday June 20, 2013 @02:00AM (#5910442)
> We (hopefully) wouldn't see a huge spike in legitimate prostitution if it were legalized, but we would almost certainly see an uptick.

Maybe in the short-term; it would probably somewhat increase the rate of entry. But removing the powerlessness that comes from illegality would probably also make it much more common for people to be able to move up and out of it and one to other things once they'd entered.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by sambeau on Thursday June 20, 2013 @07:49AM (#5911483)

  many people also choose to be homeless; whether or not this is 
  a result of another issue like drugs or mental illness 
  is irrelevant. 
This statement is an oxymoron. If anyone chooses to be homeless their reason is relevant: otherwise they haven't made a choice.

  Many mentally ill people would rather deal with the disease than the treatment.
This is hyperbole. It is also plain wrong.

Mental illness is not a lifestyle choice. No-one who has experienced mental illness would choose to live with it. Those that do live with it often don't live for long.

Many mentally ill people are incurable. Many mentally ill people are too ill to find treatment.

Nobody chooses to live on public transport. The mentally ill are vastly more likely to be the victims of crime: assault, battery, rape. If you were confused and persecuted and in fear for your life: where would you go to seek safety?

Seeking refuge from persecution and violence is not my idea of 'choice'.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by MichaelGG on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:31PM (#5907989)
There's already very "desirable people" working as prostitutes. Most likely, if you're meeting up in a public bathroom, and it's not part of the thrill, it's because of economic issues.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by jiggy2011 on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:43PM (#5908070)
It is legal here in the UK. I have heard that it is common for women working as prostitutes to declare themselves unemployed in order to get free housing.

They use this free housing as their "business premesis".

Re:Maybe buses should be free by DanBC on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:18PM (#5908327)
Paying for sex, and being paid for sex, are not illegal in the UK. But there are some very strict laws that people need to be aware of.

Both people need to be over the age of 18.

There needs to be no element of coercion. The paying person is guilty of an offence if the sex worker is coerced even if the payer is not aware of any coercion.

There needs to be no trafficking. The UK uses a stricter definition of trafficking, which can include someone voluntarily coming to the UK. It also includes travel within the country.

There's some other stuff too about premises used as brothels and about pimps.

Your comments about use of Housing Benefit are weird and wrong and not worth responding to.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by jiggy2011 on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:23PM (#5908363)
I only have hearsay to go on, but why do you think it is wrong?

Others points I believe are correct.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by DanBC on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:28PM (#5908411)
Because housing benefit doesn't work like that. It's idiotic to think that it does.

Most HB fraud is criminal gangs using fake id, or individuals who are cohabiting but claiming as singles.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by jiggy2011 on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:37PM (#5908490)
Huh? I have claimed housing benefit when genuinely unemployed in the past (though not for some years). All they need is proof of address, some form of ID ,a statement of earnings/benefits and details of any dependents etc.

If you operate a cash only business with no paperwork there will always be a temptation to under report earnings.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by lmm on Thursday June 20, 2013 @04:00AM (#5910811)
So yeah, a certain proportion of those who operate cash-only businesses - gardeners, builders, whatever - fraudulently under-report their earnings. A proportion of those will also fraudulently claim benefits, though less than you might think - if you're going to do benefit fraud it makes more sense to do it on a larger scale, you're risking the same penalties and getting more income. But in any case, it's misleading to talk as though this were in any way specific to prostitution.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by diroussel on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:06PM (#5908244)
It's not really legal in the UK.

True it's legal to pay for sex, but it's illegal to offer sex for payment, or to live off immoral earnings.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by jiggy2011 on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:13PM (#5908289)
It is only illegal to live off somebody else's immoral earnings (i.e pimping / running a brothel). It's also illegal to solicit in a public place (i.e kerb crawling).

It's certainly not illegal to respond to an advert offering paid sex or to place such an advert. I have no idea what the law would be regards propositioning people at random.

Edit: Paying for the services of someone who is coerced into prostitution against their will is also illegal.

Source: http://sw5.info/law/punters/

Re:Maybe buses should be free by grannyg00se on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @05:53PM (#5908605)
Immoral earnings? Based on who'se morals? I hope it's not actually worded that way.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by DanBC on Thursday June 20, 2013 @03:41PM (#5914410)
Re:Maybe buses should be free by jiggy2011 on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @06:04PM (#5908688)
It actually is! I presume it implies the morals of the Church of England.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by tommorris on Thursday June 20, 2013 @08:26AM (#5911598)
Or the inherent moral view of legislation.

I know. A shocking concept: law has underlying moral values like "it's bad to kill people" and "stealing people's cars is wrong" and so on.

Re:Maybe buses should be free by grannyg00se on Thursday June 20, 2013 @01:03PM (#5913193)
Yeah but murder is written into the law directly and so is theft, not some abstract notion of morality that differs from person to person and culture to culture.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by diroussel on Thursday June 20, 2013 @03:35PM (#5914376)
So if paying so sex is made illegal, what happens if you pay your wife for sex? Not sure how this works in other countries, I guess it must be clarified somehow? In the UK it's very common for laws to be vague.
Re:Maybe buses should be free by mayneack on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @04:05PM (#5907830)
If those people can't be legal prostitutes because they are out competed, that doesn't mean that they will continue being illegal prostitutes in public bathrooms. It's certainly plausible that having legal and more desirable options will drastically reduce the number of them using free toilets.