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Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by nostromo on Monday June 03, 2013 @02:56AM (#5811783)
Lately I've noticed something odd. When I find a story I find interesting, I email it to some of my closest friends and we talk about it in email. It feels very 2003, but it works and feels more private and intimate. Similarly, when I take a picture I want to share with my family, I sms it to them.

Facebook is still great, but it's different than what it used to be. It's (for me) evolved into my less-close friends' vacations and babies and memes. Which is fine! I imagine Facebook has a lot of data that suggests this is exactly what I'd like to view. But it does seem much less engaging than it used to be.

It feels like an Eternal September, perhaps one I've brought on myself by friending too many people.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by zt on Monday June 03, 2013 @03:26AM (#5811863)
My best friend and I actually run a ~100 person listserv to this end. We call it "Feed Your Brain" and people send out interesting articles, music, poetry, etc, they find on the internet. Sometimes there is a great discussion or debate, sometimes not. It is very private and intimate and it feels closer to early Reddit or HN than anything else I have found.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by joshAg on Monday June 03, 2013 @03:48AM (#5811928)
seems you stumbled on the secret of keeping a good online community: don't let a person's contacts exceed the network's dunbar number[1].

non-default subreddits can still be quite good, but many/most/all of the default subreddits are wastelands ravaged by a silent majority of up- and down-voters while the huddled masses of commenters cling together for safety. of course, there's the same phenomenon within the commenters community, where insightful comments are buried amongst puns and prejudice and adolescent jokes that get upvoted much quicker.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by AndrewKemendo on Monday June 03, 2013 @10:59AM (#5813641)
Path tried that in the social network format but it doesn't seem to be catching on.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by gavingmiller on Monday June 03, 2013 @11:24AM (#5813795)
Speculating here, but that's probably due to the fact that small and private isn't compatible with VC money.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by pseut on Monday June 03, 2013 @10:12AM (#5813368)
Would you mind adding a few details on how you set this up (I'm assuming that you're using 'listserv' as a generic term)? Is it on your own machine, through a web host, etc?

I've thought about doing something just like that, but haven't spent the time to figure out a "good" way to set it up.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by jlgaddis on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @12:58AM (#5817805)
A friend/former co-worker runs FreeLists[0], which is pretty much exactly what it sounds like.

[0]: http://www.freelists.org/

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by pyoung on Monday June 03, 2013 @05:08PM (#5816028)
You could use google groups (it's basically a mailing list). Pretty straight forward.

We had one for our 'post-college' social circle. It was a good way to spread the word about happy hours and parties, without spamming everyone on facebook.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by jarek on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @02:11AM (#5817978)
I would caution against using a service like Google Groups for this, actually. There's been too many changes to corporate-backed services like this (Yahoo! Groups' 2010 mess, remember Google Groups was originally a usenet reader to begin with) and moving a community is a pain. Host it somewhere that won't pivot.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by pseut on Tuesday June 04, 2013 @11:57AM (#5820211)
That's exactly my concern about google/yahoo/zoho/whatever.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by joshAg on Monday June 03, 2013 @01:47PM (#5814648)
i would love to see this, too.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by spupy on Monday June 03, 2013 @08:41AM (#5812869)
Sounds like this group could use a private subreddit on reddit.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by tinha on Monday June 03, 2013 @08:28AM (#5812798)
I use a private group on Facebook to share and talk with my closest friends.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by jblz on Monday June 03, 2013 @09:30AM (#5813111)
"It's (for me) evolved into my less-close friends' vacations and babies and memes."

This. Further, I think Fb serves a very important purpose in my life: it has supplanted any need or desire to attend a high school reunion. I can easily find out "what you've been up to" if I care in the slightest. Also, upvoted b/c babies are cute :)

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by ChuckMcM on Monday June 03, 2013 @11:24AM (#5813797)
I've wondered about this as well. When I was going through my 20's there came big splits in my friends pool in terms of common interests, first the division of friends who were married and those who weren't, and then the much bigger split of people with kids and those without. I noticed that my focus changed at those times as did others and the folks who weren't married or didn't have kids were really not interested in the stuff I was focused on.

We now have a generation of people going through this with Facebook and it doesn't surprise me if suddenly one group of friends is not as relevant as they used to be, and that a system like Facebook can't easily pick that up.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by roc on Monday June 03, 2013 @01:09PM (#5814415)
Facebook doesn't really want to pick that up.

What keeps people coming back is the illusion of activity. The sound and fury. If/when people close out the noise successfully, it winds up looking a lot like an email box.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lenazegher on Monday June 03, 2013 @07:09AM (#5812527)
Perhaps even more oddly, when I have an interesting link, I tend to post it to the facebook group chat I have running with four of my closest friends.

It's useful because everyone can see everyone else's reaction.

I use facebook almost every day, but I can't remember the last time I posted a status update or read anyone else's status update.

I use it as a glorified chat/email hybrid client. It's useful because only people I've chosen to accept can send me messages (like chat), but it's truly asynchronous, stores everything and supports rich messages (like email).

If, tomorrow, facebook disabled the ability of everyone to post statuses, play games, use apps, answer quizzes, post photos and all the rest of it, my usage of facebook would be precisely the same as it is now.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by hkmurakami on Monday June 03, 2013 @03:05AM (#5811811)
I tend to have a hard time discerning whether commenting on a shared item will make my comment appear on the original thread or the "sharer"'s thread, and I usually end up not commenting even when I have something I could say.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by _k on Monday June 03, 2013 @04:09AM (#5811981)
Comments don't appear on both ? How weird is that ?
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by icelancer on Monday June 03, 2013 @02:59AM (#5811795)
I do the same thing. I have different groups of people and just talk over email threads. Works far better than G+ or FB.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by weavie on Monday June 03, 2013 @03:42AM (#5811907)
Likewise. So much for people saying email is broken and outdated. It's the one medium I've been using for 20 years now and keep coming back to.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lucian1900 on Monday June 03, 2013 @05:44AM (#5812273)
Well, in addition to being very useful it is also broken and outdated. Sadly, the "alternatives" (facebook, google plus, etc.) fix almost none of the flaws and add some of their own (non-federated!)
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by jwdunne on Monday June 03, 2013 @09:17AM (#5813039)
What, exactly, are the flaws you are talking about? I'm interested because email is simple and there may be ways, inventive or not, of fixing it without protocol changes, or at most a layer written above email.

I've been thinking about how to fix email as per YCs list of things they'd like to fund (just to get the juices flowing) and it might be cool to build on top of the email protocol rather than replace it - e.g it's trivial to format, say, todos in an email in a human readable format such that they can still be read and returned checked off by users who don't use this additional layer.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by bradleyjg on Monday June 03, 2013 @09:49AM (#5813216)
There are two different sets of problems with email.

The first, more concrete, set arises simply because of the age of the protocols. They were developed when the internet was a club of like minded people rather than a global public space. Things like: a lack of rock solid authentication, no guarantees of transit privacy (much less at rest privacy), clunky formatting, multimedia and hypermedia support, arcane attachment problems, and only hacked on support for anything beyond 1:N messaging (e.g. mailing lists).

A lot of these problems have good, solid, proposed solutions but inertia and collective action problems mean that near universal support for protocol additions / changes take years if not decades.

The second, more amorphous, set of problems have to do with how some people use email pervasively in their lives in a fashion that (inevitably) would be more efficiently accomplished with a tool specialized to their needs. So for example, people who spend a fair amount of time in a corporate enviorment with Exchange often bitterly miss the calendar management integration. They say that vanilla email is broken because it has no equivalent capability. Although the critique is legitamite I think the target is off, it's not email that's broken, it's federated calendaring in general. But because email can sort-of, kind-of substitute it gets the blame.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by iffyuva on Monday June 03, 2013 @03:54AM (#5811944)
so true. i respect people who put an effort to compose an email to share something, rather than hitting share button. most of the time they dont even remember what they have shared over fb!
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lostlogin on Monday June 03, 2013 @05:37AM (#5812239)
If people didn't abuse the reply all button I might be able to come to terms with email usage. Reply all button abuse makes email almost Facebook bad for me.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by bigiain on Monday June 03, 2013 @06:35AM (#5812425)
Seems to me that perhaps "reply all abuse" is indicative of poorly chosen recipient lists.

(Which doesn't help if it wasn't you who sent the original mail…)

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lostlogin on Monday June 03, 2013 @06:39AM (#5812438)
Yeah, I'm a recipient. Professional body that has god knows how many members who use the reply all to ask each other for coffee. I tried binning their emails but that caused havoc with bills/body requirements. It's awful.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by gizzlon on Monday June 03, 2013 @08:13AM (#5812743)
Sounds more like a people problem than a email problem :)
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lucian1900 on Monday June 03, 2013 @09:27AM (#5813089)
Sounds like they need a non-work mailing list.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lipanski on Monday June 03, 2013 @05:38AM (#5812243)
what do you usually do when you're inbox gets spammed with a lot of irrelevant information - you apply filters / labels. same thing can be done with Facebook, but for some reason people still treat it as a service that doesn't need any customization. you just login and out of the sudden quality information starts pouring down from all panels. it's not like that... it's just like with your inbox, even though your friends aren't really selling Viagra, but some of them aren't far either.

every post on your news feed has got a tiny "hide" link, which you can use to either unsubscribe completely from a friend's wall posts (yeah, keep those "how I met your mother" quotes for yourself bro), choose which kind of news you're actually interested in (pictures only, events etc.) or even choose how often you wanna see a person's posts ("all updates" or "most important"). if you get the tendency to disable a post that you don't like the moment you see it, then (on the long run) you'll end up with a wall that's at least 2/3 interesting or let's call it decent (facebook is not really hacker news). I'm not aware if this is the actual implementation, but would be really cool if Facebook would actually learn from the posts you hide and stop suggesting similar ones in the future.

I've got around 300 friends and had I not unsubscribed from a lot of them, my news feed would have been packed with wedding pictures of people I don't know, events I can't go to or causes I don't really care about.

just to end here, email has its purpose but that purpose is not social sharing any more. just like emails took over writting letters years ago, social networks should improve over emails in the aspect of sharing information with ease. oh, and to the author: the facebook experiment hasn't failed - you just need to tell it what you expect of it.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by sergiosgc on Monday June 03, 2013 @07:55AM (#5812670)
Your post on begs the question: If having decent content in Facebook requires as much customization (work) as email, why not use email instead? With email I get none of the privacy blunders of Facebook, none of the advertising, I get a federated service and asymmetrical connections.

People expect that Facebook provides the automatic content customization/filtering. And rightfully so, I may add. It's a shame that Facebook is little more than a walled-garden email service with photo storage.

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by lipanski on Monday June 03, 2013 @09:12AM (#5813007)
consider this: all your Facebook friends decide to start emailing each other pics of funny cats instead of posting them on their walls. you're a friend, so you get added to the CC. wouldn't it be the same amount of work to filter through all this content for relevant information?

I'm not a big fan of Facebook (especially because of the news feed ads), but most of my friends are camped there, so the only thing I can do is try and get the best out of it. I do enjoy email conversations with my friends (mostly with my programmer buddies), but the replies tend to be a bit slower and the stories never get so many follow-ups as Facebook posts. also if you want to email pictures, you'd better use a different service (Picasa, Dropbox) if you don't want to download zipped files all the time. same for videos...

to make this clear, I'm not advocating for Facebook here. I just find it curious to read something like "the facebook experiment has failed", when there's no interest in the author to see what the experiment has to offer. more specifically to try out some of Facebook's features (some of them are really obivous, some are implied, some are more difficult to understand). when you've got 1000 friends but you're not really interested in anything they say, who's fault is it?! and yet Facebook gives you the tools to filter them out...

Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by rmc on Monday June 03, 2013 @07:18AM (#5812549)
I like that part of Facebook. It means it's now easy for you to keep in touch with people you wouldn't normally meet reguarly.
Re:The Facebook experiment has failed by StavrosK on Monday June 03, 2013 @06:25AM (#5812398)
I built an app specifically to make this easier: http://www.yourpane.com/

You click the bookmarklet, pick friends and it sends the current page.