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Re:How to Get a Job by esharef on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @12:44AM (#5784633)
Elli from HireArt here. I think your comment is really interesting and important to take note of. It's a bit funny in my particular case because I actually worked for University of Phoenix for a few years which is how I got the idea for HireArt.

I met a ton of students at UOP who hadn't been as lucky as I had in going to a school like Yale (FYI, I was an athletic recruit so felt really grateful to be there). Employers literally ignored their resumes and would never get back to them. I was shocked because I would talk to some of these students and thought they were talented, ambitious, hard-working, etc. The thing that makes me passionate about HireArt is trying to overcome the obsession with credentials (which are very highly correlated with socio-economics) and moving toward a more meritocratic way of hiring.

Can I say that I am totally rid of the drive towards prestige? No. I fall into that trap. It's a hard trap not to fall into given how much society values brand names. Anyway, you pointed out a tension that I actually struggle with a lot. A recent article about the "college bubble" recently called for all Ivy-League graduates to 'renounce' their degrees to stop the bubble from continuing. It's hard in practice but the point of the article is that unless the people with Ivy-League degrees stop caring so much about them, the status quo cannot change.

Re:How to Get a Job by dlf on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @01:54AM (#5784830)
Thank you for the insightful response to a comment that frankly felt a bit baiting. I admire how you're approaching the problem at HireArt, and am thankful that the current wave of disruption in education should hopefully keep society from feeling the full fallout of the education bubble. It will be interesting to see what the world looks like in 10 years.

However, I think the bubble will persist even if all degrees were viewed as equal due to the economics around cheap financing of degrees and disincentives among universities to compete on price and incentives to compete on ancillary concerns like luxury housing, amenities, facilities, and the like. Of course, even without this warped structure of incentives, the university model is one with huge overhead, a rigid and inflexible structure, slow to adapt to change (though they are trying), and not nearly as well positioned to take advantage of economies of scale as the likes of Udacity, Coursera, or even UOP.

This entire topic fascinates me, and I don't think we've even begun to unravel all of the causes and implications of what these changes mean for society and the future of education. Exciting times!

Re:How to Get a Job by guelo on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @02:16AM (#5784902)
> The way HireArt works, explained Sharef (who was my daughter’s college roommate)

Congratulations on the free advertisement in the most respected newspaper in the world.

Re:How to Get a Job by precisioncoder on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @04:14AM (#5785208)
Debatable. It would be better to say the most respected newspaper in the USA. The US has a tendency to refer to their best as the best in the world. I found it really interesting when I was watching "How I met your mother" how often they would refer to NY as "The greatest city in the greatest country in the world".
Re:How to Get a Job by barry-cotter on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @05:53AM (#5785444)
Oh come on. The US is the global hegemon and the New York Times is by an overwhelming margin the most respected newspaper in the country. I know the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times exist and I have occasionally read stuff from the WSJ and the Washington Post but the New York Times has a global brand in the same way Le Monde has for the Francophone world or Der Spiegel does where German is spoken.

The only comparable publications are in adjacent niches, not the same one; the Economist, and, and ...

Re:How to Get a Job by kokey on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @06:05AM (#5785480)
This is largely subjective.

The largest circulated newspapers in the world are Japanese, the largest English is The Times of India, and the largest US are the WSJ and USA Today.

For online publications by readership, the Daily Mail from the UK often beats the NYT, depending on who is counting.

With regards to being respected, it depends on where you are from, but from where I am standing the British press often attracts more respect in the English speaking world than any US publications.

Re:How to Get a Job by mikecane on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @07:28AM (#5785659)
>>>The largest circulated newspapers in the world are Japanese, the largest English is The Times of India, and the largest US are the WSJ and USA Today.

Influence > popularity.

Re:How to Get a Job by minikites on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @10:33AM (#5786465)
Re:How to Get a Job by precisioncoder on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @06:10AM (#5785496)
Do a few google searches and you'll see a broad range of newspapers cited as the best in the world. Search in a few different languages and you'll get an even wider variety. My search brought up The London Times as a contender for prestige. Wikipedia cites "Yomiuri Shimbun" as the newspaper with the largest circulation. If you were to survey people in varying countries they would give varying answers. Unless you state specific metrics it is very difficult to choose a "best" anything.
Re:How to Get a Job by gadders on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @08:14AM (#5785801)
The Times/Sunday Times?
Re:How to Get a Job by Offler on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @07:22AM (#5785646)
The Guardian.
Re:How to Get a Job by pdog on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @06:05AM (#5785478)
But... the USA is the greatest country in the world by a lot of metrics... and it isn't a stretch to say NYC is the greatest city in the USA.
Re:How to Get a Job by precisioncoder on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @06:20AM (#5785518)
Not according to the HDI, on the inequality-adjusted HDI it's not even in the top ten. Not in the top ten for literacy rates. Not in the top 5 for GDP/Capita. I'm sure there are tons of other metrics as where they fail as well, those were just a few that I googled. They have a lot going for them though, a strong economy and military, a incredibly strong media industry that is affecting the culture of countries throughout the world, an innovative technology sector etc. Greatest as a broad label however cannot be applied to any area without very specific metrics.
Re:How to Get a Job by JackFr on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @09:03AM (#5786008)
New York has a military? Sweet!
Re:How to Get a Job by EliRivers on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @07:21AM (#5785645)
Perhaps Mister Bridges can take this one :)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw‎

Re:How to Get a Job by ims on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @09:52AM (#5786241)
FWIW, that's Jeff Daniels not Jeff Bridges ;)
Re:How to Get a Job by EliRivers on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @10:12AM (#5786358)
Dammit! I suck at Jeffs :( I should stick to my strengths.
Re:How to Get a Job by gadders on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @08:15AM (#5785804)
Ha. I remember the facebook posts from several fans declaring the Baltimore Ravens the "World Champions". Er, no.
Re:How to Get a Job by jgross206 on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @12:47PM (#5787404)
This is splitting hairs a bit. They are, for all intents and purposes, world champions.
Re:How to Get a Job by gadders on Thursday May 30, 2013 @12:19PM (#5793386)
Yes, in the sense that I could create a new sport that hardly anyone else plays and declare myself world champion.
Re:How to Get a Job by Amygaz on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @06:45AM (#5785563)
Best comment on HN in ages!
Re:How to Get a Job by michaelochurch on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @07:50AM (#5785716)
I'm the greatest white-hat troll[0] in the world. I'm the greatest white-hat troll on the most interesting Internet forum in the world.

[0] Actually, I'm only 15% troll. The 85% of my activity that is legit gives a scary credibility to the other 15%.

Re:How to Get a Job by reaclmbs on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @11:07PM (#5790648)
>I'm the greatest white-hat troll on the most interesting Internet forum in the world

Wrong. And that's because we don't give you access to it, because of your puerile ego-driven behavior, kiddo.

Re:How to Get a Job by thoughtcriminal on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @06:08AM (#5785488)
It is commendable, especially since its an important service people should at least know about.
Re:How to Get a Job by reledi on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @07:32AM (#5785671)
> Employers literally ignored their resumes and would never get back to them. I was shocked because I would talk to some of these students and thought they were talented, ambitious, hard-working, etc. The thing that makes me passionate about HireArt is trying to overcome the obsession with credentials

Your team is impressive, lots of credentials - even the hire via HireArt went to an Ivy League school. Have you thought about hiring any UoP students that impressed you?

Re:How to Get a Job by esharef on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @09:38AM (#5786164)
Yes, absolutely. We would love to hire someone from UOP.
Re:How to Get a Job by mattraibert on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @08:07AM (#5785776)
The real Hacker News in this article is how you've hacked the NYTimes to promote HireArt. I'd love to hear more about how you did it.
Re:How to Get a Job by wavefunction on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @01:10AM (#5784704)
Thank you for your perspective, it's easy to get defensive but it seems like you maybe made it through whatever "prestige traps" you may have encountered along the way.

college dropout here, I didn't have money and now that I've been working, it's hard to have the time...