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Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by peteretep on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @02:31PM (#5675976)
If I can't buy it via Amazon, I probably won't buy it. I trust the reviews, and I trust them to play fair if they've sent the wrong thing, to such a degree that any other avenue feels like a big waste of my time.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by dewitt on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @03:19PM (#5676246)
> If I can't buy it via Amazon, I probably won't buy it.

This was 100% true of me as well for a decade or more. But getting into the Google Shopping Express beta changed everything. Same day delivery (i.e., even faster than Prime), competitive prices, up-to-the-minute order and delivery tracking, and sharply dressed and exceptionally polite and courteous couriers, means that for a large portion of "just use Amazon" products I'm now going with Google instead. See http://google.com/shopping/express/about/.

Selection and availability are of course the caveats of the early Google tests (limited to just San Francisco and parts of the Bay Area for now), and I was skeptical at first, but boy is this a game changer if we can pull it off. I've averaged almost an order a day since we started.

Granted, Amazon's use of OnTrac in San Francisco for Prime is also a factor. I may not renew my Prime membership for the first time since it launched as a result of OnTrac's poor service here.

(Ob. disclosure: I've worked at both companies.)

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by bitops on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @04:15PM (#5676606)
> I may not renew my Prime membership for the first time since it launched as a result of OnTrac's poor service here.

I've resorted to having stuff delivered to a location where I know that OnTrac is less likely to be used. They do such a shoddy job of delivering on time and seem cheerfully incapable of reading delivery instructions.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by dewitt on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @04:24PM (#5676668)
OnTrac recently "lost" a 75 llb package of mine while on the truck out for delivery, and took several days to admit it was missing, and only then after about a dozen calls and emails. There's not a doubt in my mind it was either stolen (most likely) or the delivery person simply didn't want to lift the box and kicked it out the back of the truck. Amazon had to eat the cost of replacing it, and I subsequently required that they use FedEx or UPS (which they did).

OnTrac will sink Amazon Prime.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by mitchty on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @04:51PM (#5676845)
As someone from an area without OnTrac, how could this company even have gotten a contract with Amazon? They sound worse than "play football with your packages" FedEx and UPS. And I have to admit that is an impressive feat.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by bcoates on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:18PM (#5677029)
IIRC OnTrac uses contractors, mostly of the "some guy with a truck" variety, of wildly varying quality, and is very cheap. When they're good there's nothing wrong with them but the bad ones do things you would never see a UPS or FedEx guy doing.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by potatolicious on Thursday May 09, 2013 @11:53AM (#5681085)
Money. OnTrac is substantially cheaper than UPS and FedEx in their respective service areas. This was always a sore point amongst many people when I worked at Amazon - the company internally prides itself on being absurdly pro-consumer, and the use of OnTrac (among other sketchy small-time delivery operations) was a very big slap in the face on that philosophy.

It's a pretty blatant case of acting against your customer's interests to save a buck, something Amazon has traditionally prided itself on not doing.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by acheron on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @04:53PM (#5676866)
I have never heard of OnTrac and I order from Amazon Prime all the time, so I doubt OnTrac is going to "sink" it.

Googling I see it's some west coast shipping thing, for those curious.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by will_work4tears on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @11:13PM (#5678580)
Thankfully it must not be Western Washington, because I've never heard of it, and order Amazon several times a month (several subscriptions).
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by illuminate on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @04:50PM (#5676841)
I lost complete faith in Google product search when they cut out all the unpaid aggregation and all the decent prices I seem to find for electronics, musical equipment, etc seem to come from generic ecommerce templated vendors who have no physical presence, but no earthly location or contact information to be found.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by blhack on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:01PM (#5676921)
This is so true.

The last thing I've recently bought at a retailer other than amazon felt like a hassle.

I decided to buy some glasses from "39 dollar glasses".com -- they offered overnight shipping, which is something I've gotten used to thanks to Amazon.

I've been sitting in my office all day waiting for them to get here, and they haven't, so I got on their website and talked to a person via chat. I found out that they ship 2nd air...but only after a 3-5 day order processing time.

To somebody used to shopping on amazon, that seems completely preposterous. That seems especially insane given that I paid almost $20 for the shipping.

Half the stuff I order on amazon I get delivered on the same day.

Going to some other retailer and finding out that my order won't get here until next week has turned from "normal for ordering things online" to "an awful experience".

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Obviously amazon doesn't sell glasses, but my point is that unless somebody can offer at least the service level that amazon does, I won't shop with them for anything ever.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by GabrielF00 on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:13PM (#5676995)
Glasses are a poor example because they have to be customized for each customer. Did you really think that they had your prescription with your choice of lens coating in stock that they could just ship out to you next day?
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by blhack on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:35PM (#5677111)
Yes. Lenscrafters etc. have been doing 1 hour glasses since the 1990s.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by bgilroy26 on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:47PM (#5677173)
With an extensive network of lens millers who are distributed so that each worker has a short list of lenses to grind, which are all destined for local customers.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by blhack on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @06:03PM (#5677249)
I'm interested here, maybe I'm wrong.

My impression is that when I buy glasses at lenscrafters, they're grinding lenses there, in house.

Are you saying that they're couriered around my city when I order them or something?

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by bgilroy26 on Sunday May 12, 2013 @12:11PM (#5694749)
No that's all the distribution I was talking about. It seems like there's a pets.com aspect to the whole situation. Where
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by jaynos on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @06:09PM (#5677289)
This isn't just a glasses phenomenon. I see it (or used to before I started buying only from Amazon) from all sorts of sellers. If I choose 1 or 2 day shipping, it should be going out the next day at the latest (if UPS already showed up today). The no questions asked return policy from Amazon is why I know buy shoes and clothing from them also.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by ajross on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @03:28PM (#5676298)
This is broadly true for me too, but there are some notable exceptions which I think are informative.

A big one is Newegg. Most things I'll search for on Amazon first (or sometimes Google if I suspect there might be review content somewhere else). But computer parts are always cleanest on Newegg, and it's not even close. Their selection is better, and their parametrized search is far more comprehensive.

Now, computer parts are a shrinking market, and Amazon isn't hurting because of this. But I think the broader point is that while Amazon does things really well, they don't do everything perfectly. And customers (like me) are fickle, and will happily kick them to the curb if something better comes along.

Basically Amazon, for all their power, are still selling what are essentially commoditized products. And the barrier to entry there is very low for a player that can actually compete on price or quality. Whether Google is such a player is an open question.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by potatolicious on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @03:38PM (#5676364)
The other big problem with buying computer parts on Amazon is that they have a massive gray market supply chain problem that Newegg seems to have been able to avoid.

Put more simply, Amazon's warehouses are filled with knockoff RAM chips, memory cards, and other such hard-to-identify components. Amazon isn't doing this deliberately, but your odds of getting bad RAM, HDD, or flash memory is really quite high.

It's been a while since I worked there - when I was there there was a big problem with inventory mixing. Third party merchants selling on Amazon would routinely ship items to Amazon warehouses to take advantage of Amazon's fulfillment process (this is known as Fulfillment By Amazon), and a huge amount of gray market goods were able to get into warehouses this way. Amazon's own supply chain integrity is, by itself, actually pretty good.

For a long time Amazon allowed these third party-sourced items to mix freely with the legitimate items they purchased themselves, and if you ordered the item (regardless of which merchant you ordered from) you'd be drawing from this shared pool. It was frustrating, and I'm not sure if they've fixed it yet.

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by mcintyre1994 on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @02:39PM (#5676007)
I often find myself pulling my phone out to check Amazon for reviews on a product whenever I do end up in a shop. Needless to say I never end up buying the product in the shop after that.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by bambax on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:33PM (#5677107)
I used to fear Google disappearing from the world, but some time ago I realized there was nothing to fear, because

- I only shop on Amazon

- every general question(1) is answered on Wikipedia

- every programming question(1) is answered on StackOverflow

so a generalist search engine isn't as essential as it was when those category killers didn't exist.

(1): that I can think of

Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by cm2012 on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @05:14PM (#5676997)
As a major Amazon 3P seller of jewelry, thats great to hear. It would be better if Amazon didnt take a 20% cut, of course.
Re:Amazon and Google are on a collision course by peteretep on Thursday May 09, 2013 @02:06AM (#5679051)
Given how small their margin allegedly is, it's because they take the 20% that they can afford to be so awesome!