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Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by AlexMuir on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:35PM (#5553276)
Ah this is so shit. I want to support Linode, I've had nothing but a good experience. But I just had to check my credit card to be sure they hadn't lost my details. I've NEVER had to do that before with anyone - they've got to respond fast here because if I don't trust them with my CC then I can't leave five-figure contracts at jeopardy hosted on their servers.

I've been living comfortably on Linode servers for over three years. This is like suddenly being evicted and having to pack my stuff up and find another apartment.

I have to wait for some sort of verification for this but if true then I have to leave Linode. I have client sites hosted here - not for cost reasons, just because I like Linode.

For the sake of $5 a month I can't even take the slightest risk of being criticised for using Linode. And this lack of transparency could be a nail in the coffin here.

I don't want to waste a couple of days on this but that's what's going to be involved if this is true.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by clicks on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:49PM (#5553385)
I've now heard from a number of people using Linode that have suspicious activities on the cc which they used with Linode.

I just called up my bank to tell them to 'block' it as a precaution (I will now have to give them a visit later today to get a new card). I encourage all other Linode customers to do the same, because it'll be easier to just spend half an hour doing this instead of spending hours upon hours disputing specific transactions.

Linode customer support keeps saying they have "no comment" on this issue (which I suppose does make sense -- I'm assuming they've been ordered by law enforcement persons to not share details), so as we're not being given much information to work with... just treat this as a worst-case scenario (all names, addresses, credit card numbers, etc. have been compromised). Do operate now with the assumption that all of this data has been compromised and may very well be public soon.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by ereckers on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:24PM (#5554058)
"because it'll be easier to just spend half an hour doing this instead of spending hours upon hours disputing specific transactions."

I live on the internet. Put my credit card out on many services. Over the last 5 to 8 years I've had my credit card numbers taken I believe 4 times.

Never had to dispute it once. These Credit Card companies and Banks have a stake in not allowing your account to be drained.

I think it would be a waste of time to go out and cancel our CC until hearing from Linode that yes, CC information was taken.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by ghshephard on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:26AM (#5556584)
It depends on how sophisticated the identify theft is. I had a good friend who was taken for about $9000 in credit card fraud in 1998/1999, with Well Fargo. It took him the better part of six months, and endless correspondence with WF to prove all of the purchases were not his. There are lots of stories of people who were financially wiped out, to the point of bankruptcy, because of Credit Card/Identify fraud.

With that said - almost everyone seems to feel comfortable handing out their credit card to random taxi drivers, waiters, sales staff - with no idea whether a copy of their information is being taken down. Heck - if you give them the Credit Card, they even get your CCV as well.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by FooBarWidget on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @09:16AM (#5557835)
That makes me wonder why the credit card system is so insecure in the first place. Why are credit card systems not secured with a password that the merchant never gets to see? Yet at the same time credit card suppliers keep bragging about how "secure" their cards are.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by ereckers on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:01PM (#5559711)
Funny that you mention that. After a few bouts with fraud (because as i mention I have my CC out to many services), I was wanting a way to track down the offending service.. I was thinking something along the lines of a vendor-specific set of numbers to be run through.

I even wrote a blog post about it. I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but these were my thoughts at the time:

Wishlist – A Method to Pre-Approve and Track Credit Card Transactions

The issue:

A business using a credit card doing business with a relatively small number of vendors wanting to first avoid credit card fraud (stolen numbers) and secondly wanting to easily track down the offending business.

The idea:

The business would like to approve particular vendors to use the credit card with number 0000-0000-0000-0000 with each individual business pre-approved to run the transaction with a 5th set of identifiable numbers, so something like 0000-0000-0000-0000-0001.

If the credit card is used to make a fraudulent transaction, then ideally, they would have had to have used the 5th set of identifying numbers. This 5th set of identifiable numbers would then allow for easy tracking of the offending vendor, which would allow the business to either re-think doing business with them, or to serve as a starting point discuss security issues with the vendor’s credit card transaction processes.

Summary:

Basically, I believe there may be a need for a new or value added credit card type service. This transaction type would require a 5th set of numbers which have been assigned to pre-approved vendors. This 5 number set (ie. 0000-0000-0000-0000-0002) credit card transaction would most likely prevent theft right off (because the vendor is pre-approved and should provide their own private key (ie. CCV) to put through the transaction). Secondly, if and when the credit card number is stolen and used to make a fraudulent purchase, then, at least with the 5th number set a vendor can be identified and security policy with them can be re-evaluated.

http://www.redbridgenet.com/blogging/wishlist-a-method-to-pr...

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by kalleboo on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:33PM (#5559117)
> Why are credit card systems not secured with a password that the merchant never gets to see?

My bank in Sweden requires MasterCard SecureCode for all online transactions on their debit cards. Stores that don't support it simply won't work with the card.

So, it's up to the bank how secure they want it to be. The technology is there.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by lmm on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:39PM (#5559161)
Of course, the main difference being signed up with such a bank makes is it's now harder to legally dispute fraudulent transactions on your card.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by kalleboo on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:56PM (#5559289)
Yep. I believe that's also true of Chip-and-PIN transactions. The liability is shifted onto the consumer to keep their PIN secret.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by oinksoft on Monday April 15, 2013 @06:07PM (#5554746)
I did it, not worth the worrying. But then again I only bill two things to this CC, one of which is annual.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by saraid216 on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:27AM (#5556244)
I've had roughly the same experience: in the last 8 years, I've had suspicious activity on my CC about 5 times. Each time, the bank caught and trapped it before I noticed and issued me a new card quickly. I've only had to fill out paperwork for a disputed charge once, and it was a 2-page, 2 question, sign-and-mail-it-in deal.

My advice is different, though. I notice that I tend to get lucky in places where people can have very aggravating experiences. I'd say that if you've had problems before, then anticipate problems this time around too. If you haven't, then don't bother.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by rbf on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:43AM (#5556803)
Or most people are lucky, and you hear about those who have aggravating experiences.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by NewAccnt on Monday April 15, 2013 @07:11PM (#5555106)
Wow, four times? You should probably be more careful about who you give your number to. Personally, I usually get a new card every 3-5 months. If someone ever sat on my card number, it's useless to them now. Never had any issues either.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by zallen on Monday April 15, 2013 @08:17PM (#5555384)
@kansface It's not bad for your credit rating. A number is simply a representation of the account. The account doesn't change. It's not like getting a whole new item of credit issued. Just the means to access it.

Also, great idea. But a pain, because most of my bills - cell, internet, insurance(s), etc all go through my credit cards. Is a gigantic pain to change the numbers.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by joewee on Monday April 15, 2013 @09:46PM (#5555669)
Even old card numbers can be used for transactions in some cases.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by Evbn on Monday April 15, 2013 @10:39PM (#5555882)
Sure, but that isn't the former owners problem.

Are you thinking of expired cards? That is different.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by runeb on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:58AM (#5556848)
I can be in some cases. I got mugged and my card was used to pay for parking garages for 1.5 years until it expired even though it was canceled and blocked by the issuing bank. They said that for some transactions, the blocking mechanisms are so expensive its more economically sane to them to refund whatever was drawn.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by Evbn on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:31PM (#5559899)
Ugh. Did that require you to protest each charge? Or did you get a charge and credit on every bill?
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by danneu on Monday April 15, 2013 @08:12PM (#5555367)
I also do that, but it's because I'm scared of recurring subscriptions that I've forgotten about, especially those that decide to sneak into my pocket after I've deliberately canceled them.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by kansface on Monday April 15, 2013 @08:13PM (#5555370)
This is bad for your credit report I believe.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by JshWright on Monday April 15, 2013 @08:30PM (#5555434)
He's not tearing down and setting back up the entire credit line, just the card number associated with it. It won't be reflected on any credit reports.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by eridius on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:55PM (#5553427)
I would be utterly shocked if nobody using Linode had suspicious activity on their CC. Linode has lots of customers, and at any given time, some of them probably have suspicious activity going on.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by clicks on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:02PM (#5553485)
There's baseless speculation and then there's I have some information speculation. I'm operating on heuristics which rely on information that is handily available. Yes, in the end you're right, I'm just speculating. But hey, it's better to err on the side of caution.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by trotsky on Monday April 15, 2013 @05:32PM (#5554544)
Credit card numbers are of pretty low value. Like way less than a buck in medium volume and still just a few bucks for the super premium ones. And there is way, way more inventory of them than interested buyers. The likelyhood of a coordinated break in of a large hosting service with the intention of stealing credit cards is pretty low, and the chance that they'd be exploited so quickly is even lower.

Unless the attacker dumped them all (semi) publicly, the more likely explanation is that the breakin caused people to check their accounts and a statistically normal percentage of them showed fraud from another origin. But anybody who sees it will be sure to get online and find others in a similar situation.

Everybody would be doing themselves a big favor if they stopped treating CC info as the #1 scary OMG data theft. The banks programmed you to care because congress made sure they're liable instead of you. Theoretically you might owe $50 due to fraud but practically you never pay a dime. Sure it's a bit of a pain in the ass to get resolved, but it's not worth stressing about until it happens.

I'd be way more concerned if my hoster lost my contact info, ip logs and identity challenge questions & answers.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by clicks on Monday April 15, 2013 @06:09PM (#5554763)
You bring up very good points, thanks.

I contacted Linode support and they've said in clear terms that they have no evidence that payment information of customers was accessed. I initially signed up for Linode because my friends spoke highly of the tech people working at Linode. Right now amidst all the commotions it's ryan's words (some anonymous dude who joined #linode/irc.oftc.net) vs. an established company's. I'm just going to now stop worrying and get back to my work.

On an interesting note, the big target who actually incurred identifiable damage was seclists.org: http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2013/q2/3

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by jimktrains2 on Monday April 15, 2013 @07:37PM (#5555229)
>I contacted Linode support and they've said in clear terms that they have no evidence that payment information of customers was accessed.

Well that's a first. They were very evasive about it earlier.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by makomk on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @05:14AM (#5557092)
Apparently they weren't entirely honest with you, then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5556846
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by jbraithwaite on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:01PM (#5553902)
If it is indeed true that credit card numbers were compromised, it would behove Linode to tell their customers quickly so they can take the proper action.

With this lack of transparency, I feel like I had no choice but to block my card.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by eridius on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:28PM (#5554086)
There's no lack of transparency here. Linode expressly said in their blog post that no CC details were leaked.

> In addition, we have found no evidence that payment information of any customer was accessed.

The question isn't transparency, but trustworthiness. Either Linode is telling the truth, and this anonymous IRC person with a pastebin is trolling everyone, or Linode is lying (or alternatively, Linode is incompetent and simply didn't detect the CC access). At the moment I'm going with Linode is telling the truth, because honestly, am I going to believe an anonymous person on IRC over a company I do business with?

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by gtirloni on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @07:30PM (#5561614)
I'm thinking here why Linode holds CC data on its servers in the first place. Anyone care to weight in here?

Secondly, if they hold that data, it's possible one day someone will find a security breach and will access that data. The best solution is to never hold that data.

Since I don't trust most of the systems I use AND Linode has not denied it holds that data... I'm more inclined to believe in this anonymous IRC guy and err on the side of caution.

If Linode had come out and said "Look, we don't hold your CC number in our database" then I think there would be very little reason to be concerned. However...

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by ak3nat0n on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:30PM (#5554108)
No weird activities on mine either but I will give a call to my CC company anyway. I have had to cancel the card I use on linode twice in the past few months because of suspicious activities. I just didn't think it would be coming from Linode
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by raverbashing on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:32PM (#5553701)
No weird activity here (no declined transactions or anything)

Mine is not a CC or a debit card, it's a 'prepayed card' so liability is limited.

Still, I'm considering calling the lost/stolen line of the card.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by nigma on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:24PM (#5554061)
So here's what Linode support is actually saying when asked about the breach:

   Thank you for contacting us. We have no evidence at this time that any payment information was compromised.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by bndr on Monday April 15, 2013 @05:39PM (#5554581)
I asked about the security measures and they answered with:

"We appreciate the response, and we can assure you that we have implemented all appropriate measures to provide the maximum amount of protection to our customers."

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by Evbn on Monday April 15, 2013 @10:42PM (#5555886)
That severely underestimates the intelligence and wrath of their highly technical customer base.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by pw7 on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:14PM (#5553570)
Yeah I did the same thing, but new card takes 5-7 days in my case. Very disappointed that I had to find out about this incident here, imagine all the customers who dont happen to look on slashdot or hacker news.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by j_s on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:30PM (#5554099)
Do this immediately if it is a debit card!
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by eridius on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:34PM (#5554148)
If it's a debit card that can be used as a credit card (and it must be, otherwise it couldn't have been used to pay for Linode), then it enjoys the same protection as regular credit cards when it's used as one.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by mbreese on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:47PM (#5554221)
Yeah, but it's one thing to deal with a line of credit that is maxed out by fraud and another to deal with an empty checking account.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by analog on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:56PM (#5554270)
Very true. If your bank gives you a separate savings account you can transfer the bulk of your money there and just use the card from the current account to limit your exposure.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by jervisfm on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:56PM (#5553438)
What about for people who did not use a credit card to pay for linode but instead relied on PayPal. Should they follow the same steps? What about other cautious steps?
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by level09 on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:07PM (#5553523)
I don't think they allow paypal as a payment method
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by bpatrianakos on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:09PM (#5553956)
I've got a PayPal business mastercard which is connected to PayPal Smart Connect. They may not allow PayPal proper but you could pay using PayPal by way of their card. I use my PayPal card hooked into Smart Connect for a good number of recurring payments like this.

So I guess the answer would be, if you ended up hooking your PayPal account up to Linode in the way I described, yeah follow the same steps as other cards, otherwise it's not even possible to have a problem.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by thenomad on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:39PM (#5553319)
Quite. I like the company and their servers are good - but we need a detailed response, and we need one now.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by kyrra on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:50PM (#5553387)
I'd say support tickets or posting on their forum[1] may help try to get a response. But based one one of the support ticket responses posted in the comments in this HN story already, it sounds like Linode isn't allowed to release that kind of information yet. They may be waiting on the police and/or their lawyers to allow them to talk publicly about it. And if that isn't the gating factor, they are probably trying to determine what they are required and should share about the incident.

[1] http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9978

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by dbecker on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:46PM (#5553805)
They may be waiting on the police and/or their lawyers to allow them to talk publicly about it.

Waiting for their own lawyers would be a particularly weak excuse. This is a priority, and they are responsible from conveying that urgency to their lawyers.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by chintan on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:01PM (#5553475)
its a recursion! the forum points back to here
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by trusche on Monday April 15, 2013 @05:45PM (#5554614)
That's an endless loop. Recursion would be the forum pointing to itself.

/end nitpick

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by eurleif on Monday April 15, 2013 @05:48PM (#5554629)
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by windsurfer on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:57PM (#5553447)
Anyone know of any good way to export linode images to other VPS providers? Seems like I'll have to be doing it manually.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by voidlogic on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:25PM (#5553647)
If your using lvm you can create a snapshot to do this while online, if not just read from your disk (assuming sda here):

   1. (offline) Boot new and old VM servers from live CD
   2. old server: dd if=/dev/sda bs=8M | pbzip2 -c | netcat <newhost> <random high port>
   3. new server: netcat -l <same port> | pbzip2 -cd | dd of=/dev/sda bs=8M
Compression: You can use something besides pbzip2, maybe pigz of if you only have a single core use bzip2 or gzip. Security: You probably want to add encryption to this pipeline.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by windsurfer on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:31PM (#5553685)
Woah woah woah isn't this just transferring the contents of /dev/sda in the clear over the wire? Shouldn't you at least do this over SSH?
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by voidlogic on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:42PM (#5553768)
>>Shouldn't you at least do this over SSH?

Yeah, I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. Using ssh or some other inline encryption would be a good idea if it is a system you care about. If you have a site to site VPN tunnel between your systems, you can skip adding the encryption.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by miles on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:06PM (#5553941)
Yeah, I mentioned that at the bottom of my post

It wasn't there when windsurfer replied to you (I was reading the thread earlier), hence his question.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by voidlogic on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:32PM (#5554121)
I thought my only edit had been to replace might with probably. If this was not the case I'm sorry. Maybe I edited it to add that right after posting and forgot-
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by windsurfer on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:23PM (#5554043)
Thanks. I thought I was just dumb.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by nenolod on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:39PM (#5553741)
dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M | ssh root@<newhost> dd of=/dev/sda bs=1M

let SSH handle compression for you instead.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by voidlogic on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:43PM (#5553778)
That is one (good) way to handle the encryption.

You don't want to leave out the compression or block size however, so add those back in. Most WAN links are low bandwidth enough that compression will not slow things down (this is usually true even on 1 GBE LAN links for pigz) and in my experience the speed-up is substantial.

pigz is much faster than using ssh compression as it is multicore. apt-get it or http://zlib.net/pigz/

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by nenolod on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:46PM (#5553802)
the compression is unnecessary here, you're moving a max of less than a couple of hundred GB of data.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by cookiecaper on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:10PM (#5558961)
It's pretty necessary if you aren't moving between colocated boxes. "less than a couple hundred GB of data" is still a lot of data to be moving around, even on a 100Mb/s link, which almost no one in America has residentially, and isn't even a guarantee for colo'd machines.

In most cases, compression at the raw block level will result in HUGE size savings, especially since a lot of that may be free space. It might even make this transfer tenable.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by marshray on Monday April 15, 2013 @07:24PM (#5555176)
A few hundred GB here, a few hundred GB there, pretty soon you're talking real bandwidth.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by BrandonM on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @01:14PM (#5559408)
Just add -C to the ssh command to enable compression.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by offmycloud on Monday April 15, 2013 @10:04PM (#5555728)
That's a great way to screw up the filesystem on the destination. You'll get mounted fs write combined with low-level block writes, filesystem in a blender.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by FireBeyond on Monday April 15, 2013 @10:39PM (#5555880)
LVM snapshot, that's the way I'd go about it. Is how we do our backups, to maintain a good state. Mount the snapshot, and do the same with it.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by tachion on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:39PM (#5553744)
There's very nice utility called Ghost 4 Unix that makes the whole thing even easier: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by voidlogic on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:54PM (#5553856)
Looks like overkill for a simple one time task that can easily be handled the UNIX way. Worth looking into if you need to do this alot-
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by tachion on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:04AM (#5556694)
Your procedure already requires booting out of live cd, and then uses "unix way" that might be easy to screw up for less advanced people, so using G4U simplifies it substantially, does the same good job and by no means is a 'overkill' ;)
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by chatmasta on Monday April 15, 2013 @10:26PM (#5555822)
DigitalOcean should probably put this in their marketing materials.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by jdboyd on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:00PM (#5553464)
Generally speaking, this is one example where having a good deployment system starts to look extremely valuable (along with tested backups and restores for non-deployed data).
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by windsurfer on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:21PM (#5553617)
I'd have to agree with you, but I didn't figure creating such a system for my hobby projects was worth it.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by mspeed on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:37AM (#5556624)
Check out http://www.cloudconverter.com - move from Linode to pretty much any other provider out there.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by euroclydon on Monday April 15, 2013 @07:19PM (#5555147)
You mean the comprised image?
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by chatmasta on Monday April 15, 2013 @10:24PM (#5555816)
Please do realize: lack of suspicious charges on your credit card is not evidence that it was not stolen.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by epo on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:12AM (#5556713)
Aah!, the self-fulfilling nature of paranoia.