News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by ghshephard on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:26AM (#5556584)
It depends on how sophisticated the identify theft is. I had a good friend who was taken for about $9000 in credit card fraud in 1998/1999, with Well Fargo. It took him the better part of six months, and endless correspondence with WF to prove all of the purchases were not his. There are lots of stories of people who were financially wiped out, to the point of bankruptcy, because of Credit Card/Identify fraud.

With that said - almost everyone seems to feel comfortable handing out their credit card to random taxi drivers, waiters, sales staff - with no idea whether a copy of their information is being taken down. Heck - if you give them the Credit Card, they even get your CCV as well.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by FooBarWidget on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @09:16AM (#5557835)
That makes me wonder why the credit card system is so insecure in the first place. Why are credit card systems not secured with a password that the merchant never gets to see? Yet at the same time credit card suppliers keep bragging about how "secure" their cards are.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by ereckers on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @02:01PM (#5559711)
Funny that you mention that. After a few bouts with fraud (because as i mention I have my CC out to many services), I was wanting a way to track down the offending service.. I was thinking something along the lines of a vendor-specific set of numbers to be run through.

I even wrote a blog post about it. I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but these were my thoughts at the time:

Wishlist – A Method to Pre-Approve and Track Credit Card Transactions

The issue:

A business using a credit card doing business with a relatively small number of vendors wanting to first avoid credit card fraud (stolen numbers) and secondly wanting to easily track down the offending business.

The idea:

The business would like to approve particular vendors to use the credit card with number 0000-0000-0000-0000 with each individual business pre-approved to run the transaction with a 5th set of identifiable numbers, so something like 0000-0000-0000-0000-0001.

If the credit card is used to make a fraudulent transaction, then ideally, they would have had to have used the 5th set of identifying numbers. This 5th set of identifiable numbers would then allow for easy tracking of the offending vendor, which would allow the business to either re-think doing business with them, or to serve as a starting point discuss security issues with the vendor’s credit card transaction processes.

Summary:

Basically, I believe there may be a need for a new or value added credit card type service. This transaction type would require a 5th set of numbers which have been assigned to pre-approved vendors. This 5 number set (ie. 0000-0000-0000-0000-0002) credit card transaction would most likely prevent theft right off (because the vendor is pre-approved and should provide their own private key (ie. CCV) to put through the transaction). Secondly, if and when the credit card number is stolen and used to make a fraudulent purchase, then, at least with the 5th number set a vendor can be identified and security policy with them can be re-evaluated.

http://www.redbridgenet.com/blogging/wishlist-a-method-to-pr...

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by kalleboo on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:33PM (#5559117)
> Why are credit card systems not secured with a password that the merchant never gets to see?

My bank in Sweden requires MasterCard SecureCode for all online transactions on their debit cards. Stores that don't support it simply won't work with the card.

So, it's up to the bank how secure they want it to be. The technology is there.

Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by lmm on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:39PM (#5559161)
Of course, the main difference being signed up with such a bank makes is it's now harder to legally dispute fraudulent transactions on your card.
Re:Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked by kalleboo on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:56PM (#5559289)
Yep. I believe that's also true of Chip-and-PIN transactions. The liability is shifted onto the consumer to keep their PIN secret.