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Re:Poll: What is your age? by SCdF on Friday April 12, 2013 @02:59AM (#5537037)
My thoughts exactly. That's a lot of <10 year olds...
Re:Poll: What is your age? by pg on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:05AM (#5537050)
I'll have to think of something extra for them too. Any ideas? Bear in mind that about half the users under 10 are also over 90, so whatever it is can't conflict with extra large fonts.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by staunch on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:13AM (#5537074)
Sadly, I think you're going to have to ban them. COPPA[1] makes it risky to have children under 13 on your web site without clear parental consent.

..you could let them send in a note from their parents to get unbanned :-)

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Online_Privacy_Protec...

Re:Poll: What is your age? by orenjacob on Friday April 12, 2013 @04:07AM (#5537215)
There can be a very real issue if HN accounts have an age or birthdate associated with them which indicate that the user is under 13. In that situation where knowledge of age is in the hands of the website operator, the FTC has taken notice, and action. See Path's recent FTC COPPA ruling as an example.

So, if HN internally keeps a reference from votes in the under-10 category of this poll to the accounts they came from, and if any of those people are under 13, there may be cause for real concern re: COPPA.

There are sort of 3 ways to approach this safely... 1. don't ask, don't tell (eg: Google's main search page) 2. ask, and reject (eg: Facebook account signup) 3. ask, accept, and get consent (eg: some child focused sites)

HN is pretty clearly not a child-oriented website, but if there is concrete knowledge of age, COPPA can apply.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by icebraining on Friday April 12, 2013 @10:05AM (#5538521)
Does it really apply to a user-generated poll? I mean, this would be no different than a user of a forum or chat service asking another their age, with the server keeping some kind of message records. I think it's hard to make the claim that the administrators have concrete knowledge; it's just an anonymous record in the database.

Path's case is different, since the form asking for the birthdate was made by them, so they knew they had that information.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by Daniel_Newby on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:40AM (#5537142)
If the First Amendment allows children to traffic in snuff films, Nazi regalia, bomb making manuals, Satanist tracts, classified nuclear information, and so forth while in a government school, it's safe to assume that COPPA is an unconstitutional prior restraint on free speech. I am astonished that the ACLU has not already handed the FTC their ass.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by icebraining on Friday April 12, 2013 @04:11AM (#5537225)
"The ACLU has long been strongly supportive of COPPA. It is an important first step on the road to universal baseline privacy protections that ensure that every American—young and old—has meaningful control over their personal information online. (...) The ACLU protects privacy and free speech simultaneously, and the two interests are rarely at cross-purposes. Right now, COPPA is a great law and it does both effectively."

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-human-rights...

Re:Poll: What is your age? by lifeisstillgood on Friday April 12, 2013 @07:01AM (#5537753)
Wow. And I thought my school was rough.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by davidjohnstone on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:17AM (#5537081)
Comic Sans was made for this.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by yuchi on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:31AM (#5537117)
Upvoted for the correctness of this sarcastic comment.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by marvin on Friday April 12, 2013 @06:07AM (#5537544)
Comic Sans with alternating colors for all the letters.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by ghenne on Friday April 12, 2013 @08:19AM (#5537991)
blinking.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by verbalist on Friday April 12, 2013 @09:04AM (#5538185)
Do browsers still implement <marquee>?
Re:Poll: What is your age? by e12e on Friday April 12, 2013 @09:48AM (#5538418)
No, but both <blink> and <marquee> are quite easy to do in javascript...
Re:Poll: What is your age? by arethuza on Friday April 12, 2013 @04:26AM (#5537263)
Extra large Comic Sans!
Re:Poll: What is your age? by jonahx on Friday April 12, 2013 @06:22AM (#5537605)
Wow. Exactly what kind of pleasure does a person derive from giving false answers to the question "What's your age?" on an anonymous internet poll? I am not asking that facetiously -- I really am curious to know. Is this some people's of idea of "being bad"? "being funny"?

Something like trolling, getting a rise out of people, etc -- I don't like it or agree with it, but I can comprehend it. In this case, no one is even going to see or know what you did. Is there some pleasure taken in knowing that people think the results are valid while you secretly know they aren't? Or was there an awareness that the moderators would see the bad results, be annoyed by them, and post about it?

Re:Poll: What is your age? by arh68 on Friday April 12, 2013 @07:14AM (#5537800)
Pleasure? That's not what comes to mind. I haven't answered the poll, but I did think about putting <10. Since you seem to comprehend the situation.. it's not about the readers or the moderators, it's more like a dialogue between me and the poll-creator: do you really think there are 10 year olds on the site? Why even make it a poll option? What a hilarious concept, 7 year olds browsing 'Hacker News' at what, 6 in the morning? I like my polls mostly Slashdot-style: you'd be crazy to take them as 'scientific' or 'accurate'. You put options out there, I'll entertain my sense of humor. If you've ever played Apples to Apples, you'll know which kind of player I am.

The options I would've expected as more reasonable: <20, 20-35, 36-40, 41+. Then you would hope the results of the poll are interesting enough to talk about (otherwise, yes, you'll degenerate into humour).

Re:Poll: What is your age? by 1337biz on Friday April 12, 2013 @07:14AM (#5537801)
I is just my habit of creating some noise in any data collection effort. Based on the fact that pg is apparently digging through the results and trying to profile certain user behaviors it is somewhat proving the point. You never know who is going to fiddle with the data so you better noise it up.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by TeMPOraL on Friday April 12, 2013 @08:10AM (#5537952)
AKA. you're breaking things because you can?
Re:Poll: What is your age? by solistice on Friday April 12, 2013 @11:46AM (#5539139)
Yes, uhmm, no (I actually answered truthfully". "Because I can" seems to be pretty deeply ingrained in the hacker ethos of "analyzing, understanding, controlling" systems. Technically I'm the reason for my old schools digital policy. I couldn't find the student drives on the school computers, I looked for network drives, and somehow the teacher/admin drives showed up. I did report that in truely whitehat fashion, but if someone asked me why i was snooping around there, I could have given them the long answer "I was looking around here, and curious to see whether this and that worked", or just "Because I could". So "I was curious whether I could muddy up the data of the poll, and whether there'd be consequences or not" becomes "I broke things because I could"
Re:Poll: What is your age? by TeMPOraL on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @01:13PM (#5559402)
I might have been wrong, but I interpreted "I is just my habit of creating some noise in any data collection effort" not as "I was curious what happens if I'll try to mess up with the poll" but more like "I don't like when people gather and analyze data, so I'll screw this up for Greater Good".
Re:Poll: What is your age? by solistice on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @04:08PM (#5560546)
Again, it could be the motivation you put forth to, but in favor of the defendant if the evidence is inconclusive. What really bugs me is that on a site that is not entirely void of coders (There might be some around. Mayyybeee...), we use a honor based polling tool that doesn't allow for the creator to set a max number of votes per person. Now I know that creating a new poll takes time, but surely not much more than setting all the +80s font to extra large and all the <10s font to comic sans.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by TeMPOraL on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @05:00PM (#5560863)
True, though I guess lack of features is kind of HN style.

> setting all the +80s font to extra large and all the <10s font to comic sans

That actually made me seriously consider voting up both the 80+ and <10 answers just to see what "easter eggs" pg implements.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by trotsky on Friday April 12, 2013 @09:03AM (#5538175)
general contempt for silly surveys that bear little purpose and whose results are easily predictable before hand.

In my opinion the option for over 80 is the proxy vote for please don't post things like this.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by jonemo on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:16AM (#5537079)
Limit their HN access to 20 minutes per day. When I was that young my parents enforced a very strict time limit on daily media consumption.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by MichaelApproved on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:12AM (#5537066)
Many high contrasting colors. Children like different colors and it could help anyone reading that has poor eyesight.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by saulrh on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:23AM (#5537095)
How about an animated hacker mascot that provides helpful tutorials for features, complete with colorful highlighting and font changes to indicate important UI elements?
Re:Poll: What is your age? by waterlesscloud on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:50AM (#5537169)
We could call him Poochie.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by WiseWeasel on Friday April 12, 2013 @12:45PM (#5539575)
There's even a helpful js library for this, previously featured on HN:

https://www.smore.com/clippy-js

Re:Poll: What is your age? by gailees on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:20AM (#5537089)
It's really great to see how down to earth pg can be on here sometimes. Definitely great to be a part of a thriving community like HN, even though I've gotten on later than what may have been its golden age.

Times like these are what really get me pumped about the great community I'm diving into surrounding tech.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by phryk on Friday April 12, 2013 @04:10AM (#5537222)
<blink> and <marquee>.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by Alex3917 on Friday April 12, 2013 @08:50AM (#5538118)
Whenever they double click a word a dictionary should pop up, like on nytimes if they still do that.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by cynwoody on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:34AM (#5537129)
>Bear in mind that about half the users under 10 are also over 90

It's called second childhood. May you someday be eligible, but yet escape achieving it.

As for the fonts, you can be sure the octo- and nona- hackers will have long since implemented suitable user scripts.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by crusso on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:02PM (#5540405)
Can you make polls like this and trollish comments into some kind of honey pot?

I propose two HN sites based upon basically the same underlying data. A "good" one, and a phantom one. Users who get honey potted end up in a phantom mode where any moderation or posting actions that they take affect only the phantom HN that they view. Phantoms can see the posts and moderation results of good users, but good users can't see the posts and results of phantom users.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by pgbovine on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:09AM (#5537059)
extra bright colors; maybe some blink tags too.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by WiseWeasel on Friday April 12, 2013 @12:48PM (#5539603)
Make an announcement and color their names pink, so everyone knows they're dealing with under-10-year-olds when reading their comments.

Or maybe a little dunce cap icon next to their name.

Re:Poll: What is your age? by davidroberts on Friday April 12, 2013 @06:22AM (#5537608)
How about lots of cat photos on the front page? I've heard that's very popular with the under 10 group.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by davvid on Friday April 12, 2013 @07:08AM (#5537781)
Young children have an easier time reading low contrast text. Make them read light gray on gray.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by benjamincburns on Friday April 12, 2013 @09:19AM (#5538259)
Hmm, maybe we need another poll to decide? :-)
Re:Poll: What is your age? by barredo on Friday April 12, 2013 @05:41AM (#5537460)
put the nicks of the voters below each answer
Re:Poll: What is your age? by petercooper on Friday April 12, 2013 @05:44AM (#5537471)
Or when someone votes, it posts a comment in the thread with their vote/answer.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by nicholassmith on Friday April 12, 2013 @05:46AM (#5537479)
I like that idea, but there's plenty of people who use shell accounts and will still pick a ridiculous answer.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by wavesounds on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:11AM (#5537062)
Translate everything to binary
Re:Poll: What is your age? by goosmurf on Friday April 12, 2013 @03:10AM (#5537061)
Care bears.
Re:Poll: What is your age? by zikzikzik on Friday April 12, 2013 @07:30AM (#5537835)
Ponies.