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Re:Kiln by spicyj on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:07PM (#5470545)
Kiln is already a well-known software development tool from Fog Creek: http://www.fogcreek.com/kiln/. I wonder if the author knows.
Re:Kiln by shawn-butler on Monday April 01, 2013 @12:13AM (#5471394)
Sounds like an opportunity. Maybe a name/brand search tool dedicated to software projects that gives a report on conflicts that costs a few bucks or is ad-supported.
Re:Kiln by martinwnet on Monday April 01, 2013 @05:46AM (#5472179)
Google?
Re:Kiln by colinta on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:27PM (#5470618)
nope, never heard of it.
Re:Kiln by psycr on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:07PM (#5470742)
Changing its name would be an appreciated gesture, I think. I'm sure others will agree. I confused it initially thinking it would be related to Fog Creek.
Re:Kiln by SkyMarshal on Monday April 01, 2013 @12:56PM (#5474278)
Same. Title made me wonder if Github and FogCreek had entered into some kind cross-compatibility deal or something.
Re:Kiln by InclinedPlane on Monday April 01, 2013 @02:33AM (#5471813)
It is literally the first google result when you search for "kiln", even above the original definition of the term.
Re:Kiln by ry0ohki on Monday April 01, 2013 @07:28AM (#5472419)
Think you are getting personalized search, it's #2 if not logged in to Google.
Re:Kiln by InclinedPlane on Monday April 01, 2013 @08:00AM (#5472521)
Hrm. Might be regional? Or tied to user agent? If I search in incognito mode it's still #1 but it's #2 via lynx from two different VPSes.
Re:Kiln by barrkel on Monday April 01, 2013 @08:16AM (#5472573)
It's geo-based, it seems. It's #1 when not logged in, in the UK; it's #2 (with Wikipedia #1) when coming from the US.
Re:Kiln by SkyMarshal on Monday April 01, 2013 @12:55PM (#5474272)
It's also the first result in DDG, fwiw.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kiln

Re:Kiln by raverbashing on Monday April 01, 2013 @03:29AM (#5471917)
Tip for naming your projects: google it first

I'm not blaming anyone or saying anyone is wrong.

But I almost named a project I was involved "beaver" something. (No, I am not a native speaker)

Re:Kiln by w1ntermute on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:40PM (#5470651)
Clearly not that well-known, then. I've never heard of it either. The Fog Creek Kiln project doesn't have its own Wikipedia page (which I consider a rough threshold for notability).
Re:Kiln by gecko on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:00PM (#5470711)
We've been on HN a half dozen times, been featured in some trade magazines, have been a gold Mercurial sponsor, and have built-in support in competitor's products (e.g. SourceTree). We're also the second link if you google for "Kiln". I think that qualifies as relatively notable.

We also have a trademark on the name Kiln in the context of developer tools.

Edit: That last line sounds like a threat, which it absolutely isn't. Just, due to how these things work, picking another name probably makes sense.

Re:Kiln by alexgartrell on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:02PM (#5470724)
My first reaction when I saw this submission was "Holy shit, who leaked kiln?"
Re:Kiln by mpyne on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:48PM (#5471017)
Mine was similar, if a little less cynical: "Holy shit, Fog Creek is open-sourcing Kiln? On April Fool's Day?"
Re:Kiln by spicyj on Sunday March 31, 2013 @11:33PM (#5471273)
Would they really host it on GitHub? :)
Re:Kiln by mpyne on Monday April 01, 2013 @09:01AM (#5472742)
Ooh, good point. Though one issue I've noticed popping up of late is that people are starting to associate "open source" with "GitHub" instead of with checking whether the source is open or not. So who knows, maybe a GitHub mirror of their own Kiln-hosted source for April Fool's?
Re:Kiln by SkyMarshal on Monday April 01, 2013 @12:57PM (#5474291)
On April 1st, absolutely.
Re:Kiln by pnathan on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:29PM (#5470801)
Yeah, that was my reaction as well. Kiln == Fog Creek's hg server in my head.
Re:Kiln by manojlds on Monday April 01, 2013 @01:14AM (#5471577)
It is now a git and hg server all at the same time.
Re:Kiln by colinta on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:04PM (#5470731)
do you want me to change the name?

Edit: I'm brainstorming names on the rubymotion google group. F-ing naming, it's so annoying. I'll try and get it renamed soon.

Re:Kiln by jacques_chester on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:58PM (#5471045)
Google and whois are the minimum threshold for picking names these days. If you intend to start a business, add a trademark search to that.

There's also no law against picking descriptive names.

Did you develop an egg smashing simulator? Where's the harm in calling it "Egg Smash Simulator Kit" instead of "Humpty" or some other confusing bloody puntastic name?

Re:Kiln by acchow on Sunday March 31, 2013 @10:26PM (#5471117)
I think "Egg Smash Simulator Professional Deluxe 2013 Edition" has a better ring to it.
Re:Kiln by jacques_chester on Sunday March 31, 2013 @10:48PM (#5471167)
You may have a future at Capcom Marketing.
Re:Kiln by optymizer on Sunday March 31, 2013 @11:34PM (#5471275)
Random fact of the day: If you read "Capcom" in Russian it sounds like "Sarsom".
Re:Kiln by neglected_dba on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:00PM (#5470884)
> do you want me to change the name?

You're joking, right? Yes. You need to pick a name for your product that doesn't clash with a well established product in the same field.

I only clicked this article because I thought Joel had gone open-source. I suspect most everyone reading this thread thought the same thing.

Re:Kiln by rdl on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:53PM (#5470865)
Developer tools for iOS, on iOS. You probably don't really care about the domain name, so there are a lot of possibilities.

Kiln is kind of a shitty name to begin with, so I'm sure you'll think of something better. I'd focus on how it's self-hosted, handheld, mobile, lightweight, and portable.

"Phone Self Exam" is one bad idea, with the obvious non-Ada Initiative approved branding concept...

Re:Kiln by colanderman on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:14PM (#5470768)
If someone told me they had a registered trademark on the name I chose for my product, I'd be a fool not to change the name. That's a huge liability.
Re:Kiln by watershawl on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:42PM (#5470831)
How about Layer, Ply, Stratum, Flag, Stage, Platter, Plate, Lamina, Pellicle, Film, Leaf, Slice, Shive, Rasher, Eschar, or Nest?
Re:Kiln by SkyMarshal on Monday April 01, 2013 @01:01PM (#5474315)
Try Anvil. Similar blacksmith-y name, nothing majorly confusing or conflicting on the first page of a google or ddg search.
Re:Kiln by MartinCron on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:30PM (#5470805)
You should change the name because "kiln" is an uncomfortable and awkward word to pronounce.
Re:Kiln by wallflower on Sunday March 31, 2013 @10:57PM (#5471199)
iOS Easy Bake(tm)
Re:Kiln by tortilla on Sunday March 31, 2013 @10:34PM (#5471135)
How about "kilt"
Re:Kiln by speg on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:02PM (#5470897)
iKiln?
Re:Kiln by bntly on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:54PM (#5470868)
Oven? Smith?
Re:Kiln by Moto7451 on Sunday March 31, 2013 @10:52PM (#5471182)
iSpector, Forge, Layers
Re:Kiln by objclxt on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:47PM (#5470671)
I suspect most software developers worth their salt have heard of Joel Spolsky, and by extension Fog Creek. Aside from them actually having their own pages on Wikipedia (which someone else has linked to), Kiln is a trademark of Fog Creek, so not an ideal choice of name for an OSS project.
Re:Kiln by w1ntermute on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:22PM (#5470787)
> I suspect most software developers worth their salt have heard of Joel Spolsky, and by extension Fog Creek.

Having heard of Joel or Fog Creek is one thing. Having heard of their Kiln project is another.

Re:Kiln by watershawl on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:43PM (#5470836)
I've heard of both Joel and Fog Creek, but not Kiln. So, yes.
Re:Kiln by ams6110 on Sunday March 31, 2013 @11:02PM (#5471213)
Agreed, I haven't really paid attention to what he or Fog Creek has been doing since this site killed off the "Joel on Software" site.
Re:Kiln by NickLarsen on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:15PM (#5470930)
I had honestly never heard of Joel until I did my research when applying at Stack Overflow. Didn't affect the outcome.
Re:Kiln by w1ntermute on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:22PM (#5470788)
I was referring to the Kiln project by Fog Creek. Obviously, Fog Creek has its own Wiki page.
Re:Kiln by neglected_dba on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:57PM (#5470876)
Your original post said "Fog Creek doesn't have it's own Wikipedia page". Then you edited it to say Kiln project after you saw these links. How about some integrity?
Re:Kiln by w1ntermute on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:38PM (#5470993)
> Your original post said "Fog Creek doesn't have it's own Wikipedia page". Then you edited it to say Kiln project after you saw these links.

Wrong, my post originally said "The Fog Creek project" (as opposed to the OP's project). The only word I added was "Kiln", to make it clearer.

> How about some integrity?

How about stopping to think before making accusations about other people's integrity, rather than shooting from the hip? I see you're new to HN. Why don't you learn some etiquette by reading the HN guidelines, it'll help you to avoid the banhammer: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Kiln by coolsunglasses on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:48PM (#5471013)
There's a Kiln for Ring app context management in the Clojure world too.
Re:Kiln by mion on Sunday March 31, 2013 @09:58PM (#5471044)
This is awesome, great work! However, and I don't mean to be rude, lemme just give you a tip about your documentation.

I'm not a "documentation expert" or anything, but IMHO I'd say there is too much information on your "landing page" and not a clear "call to action":

- How about some installation instructions?

- Basic usage? (addressing the main features, those which most users will probably use most of the time) If I were you I'd put the details about plugins somewhere in the Wiki.

I don't have a lot of spare time to check out your thing, so the project becomes increasingly unattractive as I have to waste more and more time to figure out how to use it / how to get it up and running for a basic test.

Again, IMHO, I believe this applies to most hackers, and to open source documentation in general. Very often I see great hackers who can code 1000x better than I do, but fail to write 'attractive' documentation for their projects.

Re:Kiln by jkubicek on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:12PM (#5470563)
As cool as that looks, I've been using DCIntrospect for a year or two, and it's nearly everything I need in a live UI inspection tool.

https://github.com/domesticcatsoftware/DCIntrospect

Re:Kiln by colinta on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:36PM (#5470640)
I spent a long time trying to find similar things to what I was building, and of course now I'm finding out about PonyDebugger and this tool.

Different, though, because Kiln is meant to be more generic, and pluggable.

Re:Kiln by objclxt on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:49PM (#5470680)
It's not totally clear from the project page, but I'm pretty sure this particular project is for RubyMotion, and you'll need to be writing your apps with that to benefit. You wouldn't be able to integrate Kiln straight into an existing Objective-C/XCode flow, unlike DCIntrospect. Someone do correct me if I'm wrong on this though.
Re:Kiln by colinta on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:07PM (#5470745)
That's correct - RubyMotion only for now.
Re:Kiln by spicyj on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:48PM (#5470674)
This looks like it gives a lot of what I hoped PonyDebugger [1] would be when I first heard about it. Cool!

[1]: https://github.com/square/PonyDebugger

Re:Kiln by colinta on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:17PM (#5470777)
Thanks! PonyDebugger is solid, though, and much more useful from when you're at a computer. This project is all about getting debugging information from your device.
Re:Kiln by colinta on Tuesday April 02, 2013 @11:03AM (#5479673)
name is resolved, so all the trolls and snipes that are hung up on the NAME instead of the PRODUCT, please continue your trolling and sniping, but on a new topic (like this comment! it's perfect!)

https://github.com/colinta/motion-xray

Re:Kiln by blueprint on Sunday March 31, 2013 @08:26PM (#5470798)
I hope that this turns into on-device development. I would pay a handsome sum to be able to code on my iPad mini or iPhone on the train.
Re:Kiln by sergiotapia on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:22PM (#5470593)
Gone now. Anyone have a mirror?
Re:Kiln by film42 on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:43PM (#5470663)
Check the link to make sure there weren't any added parameters. I know hacker node had/has a problem with that.
Re:Kiln by graue on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:26PM (#5470615)
It's working fine for me. Did you scroll down to the readme?
Re:Kiln by zachlatta on Sunday March 31, 2013 @07:26PM (#5470617)
It's there for me.
Re:Kiln by thomasfl on Monday April 01, 2013 @12:16PM (#5473970)
How many people are using ruby motion to create ios apps?