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Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Monday March 18, 2013 @12:49PM (#5395367)
I think somebody that publishes this: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ahkgc/i_am_weev_i_may... a day before his sentencing is either completely sure for some reason he gets away with it or is an idiot. Nothing more effective to prove you're not a criminal that saying in public "I only regret I didn't do more harm to whoever they accusing me of harming, next time will be worse". It's like saying "no, I didn't beat up this guy but my only regret is that I didn't break his other arm too". Smart move.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by rdl on Monday March 18, 2013 @12:54PM (#5395402)
I think the thing is that weev genuinely doesn't care if he gets 41 months vs. 36 months. This is a long troll by him; by being a troll, he brings more attention to the case, maximizing lulz, and bringing bigger guns to bear in his defense.

If he'd gotten 3-6 month suspended sentence, even if you thought that was a bit much for essentially incrementing numbers, you'd probably not care much.

If he were facing life in prison, you'd probably leave the US if you were doing anything in security research, change how you vote, etc.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Monday March 18, 2013 @12:57PM (#5395433)
If he doesn't care why should I? I know many security researchers who aren't trolls and they are doing fine. When it happens to somebody who isn't purposefully self-destructive, then it may be a better case for concern.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by DanBC on Monday March 18, 2013 @02:09PM (#5396012)
> If he doesn't care why should I?

If you pay US taxes you're paying to keep him in jail. I think he's a vile idiot. I don't think he should be in prison.

There's a bunch of stuff that I think he did wrong, but I'll have to read the court documents to see if I agree with them.

For example: He could have written a proof of concept script, and only downloaded a sample 10 pages, rather than grabbing as many as possible.

I might think that would have prevented him going to jail, but would the court agree?

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by at-fates-hands on Monday March 18, 2013 @03:44PM (#5396660)
Most likely. He would at least have leverage to say he just needed proof the exploit worked after he notified AT&T (which he claims he did, but I didn't find any clear evidence he had). Once you download over 100,000 records, your intent becomes a lot clearer in the eyes of the law.

Had he only downloaded a few records, chances are he might get some community service and probation. Also, his stupidity in taking to Reddit to proclaim next time he won't be so nice didn't help either.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by sneak on Monday March 18, 2013 @06:32PM (#5397607)
I believe from extensive conversations with weev that his intent is and was always to fuck with ATT as much as possible without targeting innocents.

Malicious? Sure. Criminal. Not a chance.

He loves manipulating press and media for his own entertainment. The bigger the number, the bigger of an asshole he makes ATT look like by their not protecting it, and the more anguish he causes their management by damage to their brand and stock price.

A valid effort, I think, as manipulating some shitty corporation's reputation with FACTUAL DATA is one of the least underhanded ways of achieving the goal of "fuck with ATT".

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:21PM (#5396859)
I don't know if it prevented him from going to jail, but I'm sure if he'd behave responsibly there would be no way he'd get 3 years. But then he'd not be him, and the whole matter would be different. The whole point here is that he is him, and if he'd get a slap on the wrist he'd probably just decide he's invincible and nobody could harm him and proceed to do more harmful things with a full sense of impunity.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by DanBC on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:42PM (#5396997)
There are some things he deserves serious punishment for. Some of the things he has done have affected other people directly.

So why do those behaviours escape punishment, while this thing gets a prison sentence?

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @12:29AM (#5398952)
Because our world is imperfect and justice not always finds the guilty. In this case, his karma finally caught up with him. He was guilty, he behaved like an ass and he got 3.5 years, even though if he didn't he probably would get much less. I can see EFFs point that 3.5 years is too much too, though I personally feel very little sympathy to Auernheimer. If he wises up, he'd be out in less than 2 years probably, if he doesn't, well...
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by sneak on Monday March 18, 2013 @03:02PM (#5396391)
Because living at the mercy of the government only not prosecuting you simply because they think you're not a dick doesn't scale to 100% of a free society.

This is why the ACLU defended the Klan.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by danielweber on Monday March 18, 2013 @03:20PM (#5396502)
The ACLU defended the right of the Klan to march.

This is different than a Klansman being on trial for his car crashing into a bus stop full of black kids, and then publicly announcing before sentencing that "I'm only sorry I didn't kill any of darkies."

The Klansman's own words are used to show intent. Without them, he might legitimately argue that it was a honest accident. Maybe believably, depending on other evidence.

Using someone's own words against them in court is not a violation of freedom of speech. Intent matters, and that doesn't mean we have thought-crime.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:24PM (#5396883)
Show me the case where somebody is prosecuted solely because "they think you're a dick" - as opposed to actually doing something criminal while being a dick - and you'd have much stronger case. I'm not aware of ACLU defending any criminal actions of the Klan. If we talked about Auernheimer's freedom to express his views, however vile may they be, it'd be completely different case.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by rtwtlkj on Monday March 18, 2013 @01:20PM (#5395605)
You will when its your turn.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Monday March 18, 2013 @01:38PM (#5395769)
Somehow I'm not concerned yet. When I'd feel the urge to take personal data of 100K users from AT&T and publish them and then a day before my sentencing I'd feel it necessary to say my only regret is that I didn't do more harm - then I'd be concerned more. Don't foresee it happening soon, though.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by sneak on Monday March 18, 2013 @03:43PM (#5396651)
The PII was never published by anyone except AT&T.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by rdl on Monday March 18, 2013 @01:01PM (#5395464)
aaronsw? Same CFAA.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Monday March 18, 2013 @01:22PM (#5395630)
Same CFAA, different cases. Different approaches, different intents, different results. Swartz had noble goals but chose means that are questionable. Auernheimer's goals are, as it appears from his public persona, to cause disorder, embarrassment and trouble, and to derive personal enjoyment from the result. No wonder he gets different reaction.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by fnordfnordfnord on Monday March 18, 2013 @02:21PM (#5396121)
But how differently did the Justice Dep't. act with respect to the charging of Swartz?
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by cube13 on Monday March 18, 2013 @01:43PM (#5395807)
>If he'd gotten 3-6 month suspended sentence, even if you thought that was a bit much for essentially incrementing numbers, you'd probably not care much.

And to be fair, if he didn't do things like the AMA, he probably would have gotten the 3-6 month sentence.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by rdl on Monday March 18, 2013 @02:38PM (#5396229)
His comrade got 12-15mo, so I think there was little chance of weev getting less (and probably 24mo was the most likely). I predicted 3y before his last little bit of trolling.
Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by matthewnolandev on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:02PM (#5396769)
Trolling isn't illegal, and should not be a factor in this discussion.

They didn't sentence him for previous trolling, name calling, or tom foolery.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by gavinlynch on Monday March 18, 2013 @01:21PM (#5395617)
>>> "This is along troll by him"

The only person he's trolling, is himself.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by sneak on Monday March 18, 2013 @03:00PM (#5396376)
Watching the prosecutor butcher pronouncing "regexps" in federal court was worth it.

(Seriously, they read his AMA responses in court this morning. Weev's a shithead, but still: 't'was glorious. )

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by matthewnolandev on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:14PM (#5396830)
Technological ignorance from the law makers and the judicial system is in part why that law exists and why Weev is locked up. It's funny to hear them butcher technical words and to see the word "Goatse" on CNN.

..But I've stopped laughing. It's time that technologists step up efforts to change things in the favor of communication and free speech.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by sneak on Monday March 18, 2013 @05:02PM (#5397108)
I put $50k on the line to bail him out and talked him out of aaronsw'ing himself several times during the last few years while this nightmare progressed.

I must've missed you at the sentencing this morning. I was the hungover one in the mirrorshades.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by matthewnolandev on Monday March 18, 2013 @11:53PM (#5398799)
i know you did. More people should stand up like you did.I think if Aaron had a better support network, he'd still be around.

If you're still on this side of the pond, we should grab a drink.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by sneak on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @02:46AM (#5399321)
Oh, I didn't read your username until just now.