Looks like it's an open spec so can create a wallet for any OS https://eudi.dev/latest/main/

Does one exist which does not require integration with Apple, Google, or Microsoft services?

I doubt that will ever matter. There are niche alternatives to lots of American tech. But that isn't what the "digital sovereignty" push is about. It's about not building fundamental services on American Big Tech in the first place.

But it's obvious that nobody really cares about it after all. For instance, Germany's own official EUDI wallet for Android explicitly requires Google Play Integrity

https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-devel...

Okay scratch my doubtfulness from the other comment, of course you're right what was I even thinking. Man I really hate that.

The play integrity dependency was removed in version 0.15.0

You are linking to version 0.14.0 of the documentation. The latest version is 0.19.0. The release notes of 0.15.0 mention that they dropped the Play Integrity dependency

Good news

> But it's obvious that nobody really cares about it after all.

That's not remotely obvious.

The push for digital sovereignty is only a few months old. Governments work on timescales of years—or even decades.

It's certainly true that it would be good if they could be a bit more responsive, particularly in this fast-paced digital age. But demanding them to be doing that already, today, is just not living in the real world.

Its an open spefication but the identity issuers (your country) locks it down so only their own wallet can be used for their countries ID

So your being baffled relies solely on your guess being correct? It kinda feels like a good idea to wait until we know for sure.

I mean I wouldn't really be surprised if you were right, but I also want to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I looked at the source code for Germany's Android EUDI wallet and confirmed my suspicion that it will require Google. So I have very little doubt about any of the others too.

https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-devel...

Can we just say no I do not want to use the digital identification and continue our lives as before?

You can...

It will have to be seen. E.g. try to travel in some countries without carrying electronic payment systems.

Any talks about physical sovereignty? Why do EU let its auto industry struggle against Chinese EVs? What about electronic products? Why can Europe wean off foreign energy such as from US or Middle East or Russia?

> Why do EU let its auto industry struggle against Chinese EVs? What about electronic products? Why can Europe wean off foreign energy such as from US or Middle East or Russia?

Your two goals are fundamentally at odds with each other: cheap Chinese solar panels and EVs are the only realistic route to energy independence.

That many of the EU car manufacturers bet hard against the EV transition, is pretty much a bed of their own making.

Why should China buy our chips / other 1000 exports if we refuse to buy their cars?

I have bad news for you, China doesn't import much these days, except for raw resources.

Why should people be forced to only choose from a limited amount of suppliers?

EU car industry languished in safety too long, focusing on how to bump the price of cars up and up while having them less and less reliable.

It can't survive honest competition, let alone one that also benefits from lower costs

> Any talks about physical sovereignty?

You mean about the 3.5 wars Europe is directly involved in? Up from 2 three years ago.

Ukraine - Russia

Russia - Black Sea EU member states (esp. Bulgaria, but also Greece)

Turkey - Greece

Russia - Georgia (kind of)

Hmm... AFAIR Duch one (https://github.com/MinBZK/nl-wallet/) will not force it and they are actively working on handling it.

What's more - you won't be limited to using your national wallet - you would be able to use whichever implementation works for you (so, for example Duch one).

Alas: yes, UE should push harder to avoid google/apple :/

But it was a problem that peered from long ago, it was implicit in the plans (cpr. the "digital euro"), and if you do not secure what you need for your plans doubts are legitimately cast about you.

> more - you won't be limited to using your national wallet - you would be able to use whichever implementation works for you

Unfortunately not true. You can verify other nations IDs but you can only bind your ID to the eID wallet of the nation you are a citizen of.

Polish one already have app that de facto works as ID and uses independent authentication than Google's/Apples (using either banks or govt site for it)

Yet it mandates that you have access to Google Play for Android or App Store for iOS and use an OS that wasn't modified or replaced. They also specifically tell you it shouldn't be run if your device is rooted or you have an unlocked bootloader

https://www.gov.pl/attachment/735d96d3-8d85-492c-8d00-0a80c2...

Yeah but that's easier to decouple than using google login

Can you run google play store without Google login?

The German teams AMA said it doesn't. Though for legal reasons it'll need to be certified for every OS.