The $7.5billion in alleged sales to china has removed a couple of trillion in value from the pension and investment funds of Americans this week, all for the infantile hubris and anti-competitive moves toward americas biggest trading partner. It needs to be clear that’s on Trump too, if it wasn’t already. Compromised or not, Jensen was right - sell them the chips and they won’t be forced to get them under the counter or develop their own.

> The $7.5billion in alleged sales to china has removed a couple of trillion in value from the pension and investment funds of Americans this week, all for the infantile hubris and anti-competitive moves toward americas biggest trading partner.

And how many trillions of dollars of wealth has been "removed" by American companies outsourcing their production to China over the past several decades, transferring their IP to Chinese entities through forced joint-ventures, outright IP theft, etc.?

By some estimates, the outright IP theft alone has caused $15 trillion in cumulative losses. According to the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property, whose figures are used by the FBI and the Office of the US Trade Representative, IP theft costs American businesses somewhere between $225 and $600 billion every year, and much of that theft is at the hands of China.

Companies like Facebook and Google aren't allowed in the Chinese market. Do you find that "anti-competitive"?

Nobody is playing fair here and the notion that we can all just trade with each other equanimously is naive. The world isn't that kind and simple.

You are completely wrong here and I suspect the American voter will agree with me. Selling the greatest inventions of American ingenuity and know how directly to a rival is the type of historical shooting yourself in the foot that will be studied for centuries. America has essentially built the internet, the microprocessor, gave it free to the world, then did the same with all the technologies since and what has an American got to show for it exactly? I'd much rather give every teenager in the entire country a 5090 for free than allow a single one to be sold overseas. In the 90s the feds were throwing money at schools to build computer labs even in poor school districts and now we've kinda just stopped giving our kids the latest and greatest and instead force them to compete with the world for hardware. It is too late now but this has been a generational fumble that will be studied for a long long time. We've essentially given away all our advantage to a country that was a backwater when the Intel microprocessor was invented. Frankly embarrassing that it has come to this.

The 5090 – and every other Nvidia GPU – is manufactured in Taiwan and dependent on equipment made in the Netherlands and Germany. If America could build them in the USA without total dependence on the rest of the world your argument might stand.

Taiwan was a similar backwater when the intel microprocessor was invented, yet they’ve clearly done the hard yards to do what the “American voter” had no appetite for.

Yes that is the generational fumble I am talking about. None of that should have ever been allowed in the first place. And reality is proving my point. All this tech is going into every miltech drone now. We could have had a monopoly on that. Now American soldiers will be dodging drones powered by Nvidia GPUs.

Not in America they’re not. Maybe try not stomping all over the rest of the world and the drones won’t be a problem.

You don't understand. The technical lead of ASML and TSMC does not exist because "Americans allowed it". What they can do no one else can do. Aka: you Americams couldn't do it. Maybe it is, that some things don't grow well in a milieu of disregulated cut-throat capitalism.

(I'm thinking more of ASML (dutch) in the Netherlands here, who build the machines at the heart of the fabs (most of the knowhow for building those sits with taiwans tsmc, also for the fabs they build in the states) than of TSMC, since I don't really have to much of a clue of whats the culture in taiwan is like. But I assune theres a more tight-knit social fabric then there is in the states.

Oh I understand very well and your comment is yet another example of the generational fumble I am talking about. It gives foreigners like you grand ideas about their part in the machine. Memory and chip fabs was considered a low margin business up until recently. We are not sleeping on this. Multiple new fabs are being built right now. We won't be making this mistake again.

There are no lessons learned in capitalism, there is only the next quarter's profit at the expense of everything else.

Free is an interesting word to mean, "sold for money". Also while the US government funded part of the initial internet, both of your examples are private citizens creating something you wish we later restricted. GPU's are graphics processors too, it was too late any when they became useful a sort of general purpose workload chip.

We actually could give every teen a 5090 for free right now, no blocking trade agreements required.

When I was a kid my school had a computer lab worth 200k in 1995 dollars. This was something very few kids had outside of the United States. None of them were locked down and we were encouraged to learn how to program them. Now we just throw some locked down $200 Chrome books at them and think that's gonna produce the next generation of tech innovation. In any case I wasn't talking about free as in commie.

In 1995 you didn’t have: raspberry anything, flipper zero, qemu, commodity smartphones, mail-order circuit board fab—-and that’s just the stuff under $200.

I think I missed what this annecdote means. Lots of countries had computers in 1995. I also don't understand what you mean by "not free as in commie". Do you mean soft power, we already get that, do you mean something other than resources (what money ultimately is)?

The American voter can wish for anything, including wishing to get all the cheese from the moon. Wishing quite different from having the ability and infrastructure to actually do it, which nobody is stopping americans from doing already.

> Compromised or not, Jensen was right – sell them the chips and they won’t be forced to get them under the counter or develop their own.

I disagree. China is only acquiring technology to copy the best parts and improve the rest. There are plenty of examples over the past decades.

They would never be a permanent customer of Nvidia, they would destroy Nvidia long term by offering better chips for cheaper, especially as they are going to take Taiwan in the near future.

Feel free to do some research about how china won the solar game, that would be your textbook example of how they are going to win AI.

They do this with cars, they did it with solar, they do it with weapons-grade tech.

It’s an absolute fever dream to think selling them chips would mean they wouldn’t get more under the counter and develop their own improved designs.

We are talking about a nation-state actor with unlimited pockets. They can go down all of these roads at the same time and if I were china and winning AI means winning everything, i would exactly that.

Using Jensen like a greedy prostitute to get the goods right from the source was just the easiest way to get those chips.

The collapse of Jensen is also strengthening China, they already have what they wanted, now he gets put in the trash so the US can no longer profit from his undeniable talents attracting investments into American AI domination.

Seriously, what is 4 or 7b to China?

Better than sending Chinese black ops to disappear a ship full of Nvidia chips and risk complications with another nation-state actor.

Why wouldn’t they take the way of least resistance which was through Jensens greed, ego and illoyalty to his wife?

China has a long-term plan, is extremely focused at accomplishing milestones and they are already ahead in almost every sector compared to the US of the past 20 years, that has become a political dumpster fire.

China is winning.

And the chips that Jensen allowed to move there will be used to accelerate the already working strategy in all of its aspects. He didn’t just fuck most of his company and partners as it seems, he fucked every American in existence.

Enough smart people in the US government have seen that, but they are dealing with a kleptocratic family and friends scheme that is selling their nation’s interests to enrich themselves. It is what it is.

He isnt making money to help orphans or disabled kids or mothers of orphans or mothers of disabled orphans.

Jensen like Trump and his family is only helping number 1.