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Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by unethical_ban on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:56PM (#50474151)
NYT has an op-ed today encouraging BAAJA, but all the comments are ripping it for bias. Notably it seems to strip away protections for historic sites and takes away rights from Indian tribes. Imagine running HVDC lines through tribal lands, over the Grand Canyon or other historic landmarks - things that would be prevented today that would be legal tomorrow.

I haven't read it, and I do support some level of expediency with grid buildout, but it sounds like it opens the door to ruining cultural landmarks, no prevention of abuse for fossil fuel purposes. Finally, and I mean this honestly: If the administration supports it, it probably is something worth pausing to consider.

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by consensus1 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:03PM (#50474968)
There is too much protection for historic sites (most of which have trivial historical value) and Indian tribes have way too much power to extort money out of infrastructure projects.
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by 1659447091 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:24PM (#50475221)
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Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by whimsicalism on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:36PM (#50475386)
> They have too much power? On their land?

It's not their sovereign land, except in the sense that the entirety of the US is 'their land.' Tribes are sovereign over their own land and BAJAA does not change that. It is common for tribes to litigate things outside of their own lands and administered by/for the public, for instance this landmark case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_Nation_v._United_States...

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by 1659447091 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:25PM (#50475885)
They used Religious Freedom Restoration Act in that case, and didn't even win.

Some cases that have won use RFRA to legally discriminate against minorities by Evangelical Christians. Native Americans bring lawsuits based on their religion over a sacred site and reclaimed water, just like anyone else can, and yet losing "this landmark case" somehow proves they have too much power?

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by whimsicalism on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:25PM (#50476465)
I didn’t say they have too much power, I said that the land at question is not tribal land, it is federal lands.
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by 1659447091 on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:48AM (#50478871)
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Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by consensus1 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:19AM (#50480078)
What about my religious freedom to not give a shit about their primitive superstitions and what land they consider sacred?
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by 1659447091 on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:04AM (#50481058)
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Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by consensus1 on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:04AM (#50482333)
No, it does work that way. My freedom of religion means I don't have to respect their bullshit superstitions. They can declare arbitrary pieces of land "sacred" all day long, but they have no right to stop the rest of us from building roads and pipelines right through it anyway.
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by 1659447091 on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:45AM (#50483403)
> No, it does work that way.

It really does though. And you are misattributing the why you don't have to give shit about their "bullshit superstitions". Are you from the US? This is taught in grade school...

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by whimsicalism on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:32PM (#50486793)
My point is that this is not native sovereign land and BAJAA is more about clearing away the numerous types of lawsuits that all sorts of groups can bring that hamstring development in federal lands. The RFRA case is one such type of lawsuit, although not impacted by BAJAA (too bad, the RFRA is a terrible law in my veiw).

> Thats the whole point(major point) of how this country was founded, religious freedom from the government.

I would be very happy if we repealed the RFRA and returned to the well established case law for fundamental 1st amendment protections.

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by defrost on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:36PM (#50475988)
Their lawyers took the religious objection path perhaps because that might carry greater weight than an environmental protection argument might- but at its root this has the look of a watershed issue.

Would you personally be A-OK with tonnes of treated sewerage being dumped upshed from your drinking water extraction point?

Responsible elders / leaders are expected to to do their best to slow roll or stop such changes being made - once it becomes routine its much harder to stop as problems present.

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by lakeviewterrace on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:21PM (#50475179)
> Imagine running HVDC lines through tribal lands

What if they only ran the transmission lines behind their eyesore casinos?

Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by cowlevel on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:33PM (#50475331)
Do property rights end when the stuff on your property is ugly?
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by Choad_20261104 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:35PM (#50475366)
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Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by whimsicalism on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:57PM (#50475606)
Property rights end when you don't own the land and its federal lands administered by & for the public
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:51AM (#50479836)
When did the federation steal the native american land?
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by whimsicalism on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:34PM (#50475348)
Pendulum has swung far too far towards historic preservation over the last half century.
Re:Data centers need power – lower income, rural residents p... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:04PM (#50476276)
> Imagine running HVDC lines through tribal lands, over the Grand Canyon or other historic landmarks - things that would be prevented today that would be legal tomorrow.

There are plenty of other laws available to prevent various things from happening. The difference is that those need a government prosecutor to initiate a case rather than letting every member of the public file a nuisance lawsuit. Which they would do in your "someone trying to run HVDC through the Grand Canyon" scenario and any other sufficiently egregious case, but not do when someone is just trying to build a boring wind farm on some boring land they own.