3.8 flash was easily the best general everyday person model yet though
3.8 flash was never served to free users on google though?
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen
by JacobAsmuth on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:44PM
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3.8 Flash was served to free users in AI Mode IIRC
Only for pro and ultra users
The free default was 3.5 flash lite.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen
by JacobAsmuth on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:00PM
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Ah, you're correct.
Maybe I’m spoiled but I found it repulsively dumb. Some of the highest rates of hallucinations since GPT-3. Incredibly lazy. Heavily biased to parametric knowledge and speed over accuracy. I would rather have no AI at all than use that.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen
by JacobAsmuth on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:32PM
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I think this is a completely different class from Luna and is much more akin to 6.1 Sol in terms of capabilities and general intelligence.
Maybe, although google tends to benchmaxx. If it's actually sol for free that's kinda crazy good.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen
by seizethecheese on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:45PM
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It's definitely not the case that small models only do well in benchmarks. We're working on a battle system on top of OpenCode, so have data for real people doign real work.
Right now DeepSeek Flash 4.1 Flash has a 64% win rate against GPT 6.1 Sol. Small data still, but it has 33 wins vs. 18 losses, which is confidence interval of 52% - 78% win rate.
That's coding though. I was talking about general usage.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen
by seizethecheese on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:57PM
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Okay, makes sense, though I don’t see a huge difference in quality between Luna and Astra for basic chat usage.
I've read this same comment every time a new Luna came out, and the difference between free GPT (Luna) and paid (Sol and Astra) is still outrageous for general use.