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Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by novaRom on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:03PM (#50457909)
The risk of all risks today is wether OpenAI will survive. I just watched Zitron is convinced they will not [1]. Eisman said OpenAI flop will cause recession [2].

1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB3XE8mWNF0

2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1dRDj1QRks

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by xyst on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:07PM (#50457959)
I have lived through 1 recession. I will unfortunately have to live through another recession because yet again regulators have been taking a xanny/tranquilized; and unchecked greed of Wall Street and billionaires
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by seizethecheese on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:12PM (#50458021)
You'll live through many recessions in your lifetime regardless. The implication that regulators can/should prevent all recessions is suspect to me.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by fuzzythrowaway2 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:03PM (#50458625)
In fact, the problem is that they keep bailing us out of recessions, which will eventually lead to a collapse and possibly a depression.

2019: That bond bailout you didn't hear about

2020: COVID bailout

2022: Various credit/liquidity facilities and the slow-walked rate hikes

2023: Bank bailouts

I dunno what happens this time. So many cards have been played out and a lot of entities seem to be white-knuckling it.

The boom-and-bust cycle is a natural consequence of running an economy on debt: margin leads to speculation which leads to overheating, and then it has to cool off. It is entirely possible to guarantee the public's welfare during busts; you just have to sacrifice not having a ceiling on earnings/wealth.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by origini on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:11PM (#50458725)
If we are lucky, all of this will not matter if we reach post scarcity.

Would be even really really good if we would start breaking through barriers regarding state spending and allowing more to do so in a way that inflation is not affected.

Like allowing every state on the planet to 'spend' money on certain things like renewable or teachers or care workers.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by origini on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:08PM (#50458682)
Lucky enough we don't live in a free market. US America perhaps more than germany, non the less there are plenty of regulations to protect consumers.

If a recession was started because someone else is taking your retirement fonds and putting them in companies overvaluated to move money from retirement fonds to random other people, and this is closer to gambling than investment, regulators should step in.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by seizethecheese on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:16PM (#50458792)
Each step of this is a leap:

> someone else is taking your retirement fond

> and putting them in companies overvaluated

> to move money from retirement fonds to random other people,

> and this is closer to gambling than investment

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by pessimizer on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:32PM (#50459004)
Define "leap." Do you mean

1) "I vaguely disapprove of this framing for reasons I choose not to explain?" Or do you mean,

2) "Each step violates any reasonable duty, and wouldn't be taken in a world that punished people for taking wild risks with the money of retirees, or in a world that expected the "risk" that people took when investing in stocks to actually be "risky" instead of ultimately backstopped by the taxpayers?"

I suspect 1.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by seizethecheese on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:54PM (#50459214)
[delayed]
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by origini on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:42AM (#50464599)
How much control do you have with companies which are managing some 401k (USA) or similiar things in other countries?

If they blindly invest in random companies even with P/Es in 3 digits, thats overvaluated.

The move happens because your retirement is getting less in a crash, but that money was moved around because you bought shares and someone else sold them.

What will be the margin? if its a healthy one, its not gambling its investment. If its good, it becomes gambling.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by VikingCoder on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:12PM (#50458022)
The regulator in The Big Short is still hilarious. Blinded because she had gone to an eye doctor. What a metaphor.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by njovin on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:37PM (#50458335)
Technically she wasn’t a regulator - I believe she was at one of the ratings agencies. In their defense, it looks like Anthropic’s IPO is going to receive a junk rating.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by jzawodn on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:13PM (#50458746)
I'm not sure I'd call her a regulator... she worked at the one of the ratings agencies.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by nunez on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:35PM (#50458309)
tulips generally are perennial plants and re-grow every year. we will have bubbles and bursts as long as this is true
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by OroPla on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:19PM (#50459518)
If you have only lived through one you are at most 17 years old, since otherwise you'd have lived through the recession of 2007-2009 and the Covid one of 2020. Earlier there was one in 2001 and in 1990/91, 81/82, 80, 73-75, 69/70, 60/61, 58, 53, 49 and 45.

Thirteen since WWII or roughly two per decade.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by torlok on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:27PM (#50458212)
Why do people keep bringing up Zitron in these discussions. He's literally just some guy. And with all due respect to Steve Eisman, he's been wrong plenty of times, most recently with bond prices going above 5% being a trigger. And he's still recommending that you should hold SPX or a combination with QQQ like, hilariously, that's supposed to be diversification or something.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by switchbak on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:38PM (#50458341)
My sentiment exactly, and I'm not exactly an AI fanboy here. I just don't see why he's viewed as some kind of authority or particularly insightful.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by pydry on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:55PM (#50458545)
Because he actually analyzes the rather ugly financials of the companies in the bubble.

For some reason the people who hate him the most are the ones most inclined to completely ignore the topics he actually talks about.

They all get hooked on anthropic screeching about ending humanity or some other nonsense and forget that this is a business. A business which is losing gargantuan stacks of cash and is running on the fumes of hype and cope.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by orangecat on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:30PM (#50458972)
For some reason the people who hate him the most are the ones most inclined to completely ignore the topics he actually talks about.

Huh? His predictions on both the financial and technical sides (see https://danluu.com/zitron/) have been spectacularly wrong.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by mopsi on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:58PM (#50458581)
I don't understand his phenomenon either. Listened to a few long podcasts with Zitron. He had about 10-15 minutes worth of ideas and not much beyond that. Nothing of it was particularly novel. Are AI companies in a huge bubble? Most likely. Is AI itself useful? Not to the degree it's hyped, but yes, it has its uses. And that's about it. Nobody knows how the events will unfold, and listening to speculation feels like a complete waste of time.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by njovin on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:39PM (#50458353)
Because he has been one of the few people doing actual research on the financials around AI and reporting on exactly why it looks like a massive bubble.

If any boosters can provide the type of evidence that Zitron has I’d love to see it.

Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by kccqzy on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:49PM (#50458476)
[delayed]
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by orangecat on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:04PM (#50458635)
Well Anthropic having revenue of $34.5B in 2027 being "laughable" is correct, just not quite how he intended.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by layer8 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:52PM (#50459197)
People keep bringing up Zitron because they are wishful-thinking that he’ll eventually be right. But yeah, it seems that he’s been plenty wrong so far.
Re:Retirement Savings Are Fueling the AI Bubble by pianopatrick on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:05PM (#50458642)
That might be a financial risk, but it's only a financial risk.

Even if OpenAI goes bankrupt, someone will buy their models in bankruptcy to run them. Also, other companies will be able to hire the people who are laid off to apply the same techniques to get similar models.

So from the point of view of technological / AI progress we'll be fine.

Some investors might lose some money, but humanity will keep going forward.