News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by 3RTB297 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @12:25AM (#50450006)
This is exclusively an American phenomenon, and drives me crazy as well.

If you'll recall, around 2001 Nissan used to sell exactly what you and I both want: a light duty small pickup marketed in the US as the Frontier. That was the D22 model truck, which in NA eventually morphed into the larger (and arguably less capable due to bloat) Navara only years later. Most Americans forgot all about the D22 Frontier.

The rest of the world still has it, usually called the NP300 Hardbody. 2 or 4 seats, 4WD optional, crank windows, manual, basic as can be, and, to quote a guy I know that has one, "an absolute donkey." Across Africa, it's the work truck for the guys that show up to fix things and do work. Foreigners show up in a giant Toyota Land Cruiser. IIRC, It's being phased out in some markets, but it's ubiquitous as the truck that does work. It was the replacement in Southern Africa for the Nissan Champ, a tiny little pickup that didn't change design for 20 years.

Since the older NP300s are still on the road (Frankensteined together), they would be coming up on being importable under the 25+ year classic car exemption. That's about your only option to get a capable light-duty pickup in the US - import Africa's aged cars.

Or wait for this electric Slate pickup.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Animats on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:55AM (#50450443)
> Or wait for this electric Slate pickup.

If that actually ships, it might be useful. It's also road speed capable. It's being marketed as a lifestyle accessory, not a work truck.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by fooqux on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:23AM (#50453114)
It depends on your market and your work, but it would be hard I think to work out of a truck with ~200 mile range. Maybe when charging vastly improves in both speed and availability...
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by officeplant on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:08AM (#50455032)
I work out of a Ford E-Transit with 110-135 miles of range while living in an area with fairly poor DC fast charging coverage. You learn to live with it and plan accordingly.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by fooqux on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:49PM (#50459170)
I'm obviously not saying it's impossible to do so. But if you work in a rural area where your customers might be 70 miles or more apart, you can't exactly go from one customer to the next many times in a row. So now you're leaving money on the table because you have to turn down work.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by gilbetron on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:31AM (#50453190)
They seem to be shipping - my friend sat and drove one owned by a person that claims to have received their shipment, and not a test model.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Animats on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @02:07PM (#50457181)
Car and Driver has a review.[1] They were annoyed that top speed is limited to 90 MPH. But that's Car and Driver. Unlike a kei truck, you can take the Slate on a freeway. The Scion kei truck is a low-speed vehicle, top speed 25 MPH, 4WD. It's something you drive around a medium-sized farm. It competes with the larger ATVs.

[1] https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a73296422/2027-slate-ev...

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by mrngld on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @10:12AM (#50454387)
The towing/payload capacity I wish was a little higher. My family Odyssey actually has a 1500lb greater towing capacity. The times I wish I had a truck are occasionally for oversized material, but more often a situation where I wish I could just pull a decent trailer or have a half ton of material or whatever dumped in a bed.

The Slate pickup can be configured differently and has uses beyond that, I'm sure Slate did market research to arrive at the compromises it did, but it's a legitimate point for some.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by superdisk on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:59AM (#50451137)
As soon as you started talking about Nissan I knew you were talking about the ubiquitous white bakkie. I moved to South Africa from the US and they're indeed everywhere, though unfortunately discontinued now I think. Seems like the bloated American abominations are becoming more common here as well.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by 3RTB297 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:05AM (#50451607)
Ja, you get it, ne?

Best as I can tell, the lackluster NP200, which looks like a Champ without the character, the Mahindra pickup, and the small Ford Ranger pickup, are filling the gap. Might not be the worst thing - the Nissan NP300 bakkies are apparently terrible for accidents. Still, not everything has to look like a Hilux!

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by fuzztester on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:44AM (#50451881)
wonder what the closest equivalent to the NP300 is in india. with 2 or 4wd.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by 3RTB297 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:32AM (#50466842)
I would guess a Tata or Mahindra pickup, but I'm not sure.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by SoftTalker on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:34AM (#50455350)
I have one of those Frontiers, with a manual transmission. Absolutely flawless drivetrain. Rust is another story. The cargo bed is full of holes and I've had to replace parts of the suspension due to rust so I'm not sure how much more life I can get out of it.

REO[1] is supposedly coming out with a basic manual truck.

Slate is another option, but in the prototype videos I've seen it looks like it has about a 4' bed. That's too small for a utility pickup truck.

[1] https://reotrucks.com/