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Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by fny on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:51PM (#50447420)
I think the most obvious chicken little sign has been that we've had no catastrophic exploits in the past year due these findings.

Sure LLMs have helped reduce the attack surface and we patch things faster too, but I was really expected a few more Supermarket-level bangers.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by cowlevel on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:11PM (#50447633)
There was that PHP thing, as well as *sshole, and how do we know the supermarket attackers didn't use AI?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by watwut on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:15PM (#50447668)
But PHP thing was a lot of drama over something that was not super large easy to exploit hole. Just a normal "have to patch it and bye" medium kind issue.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by keybored on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:36PM (#50447862)
But imagine the potential fallout if so many services didn’t get so scared that they preemptively took themselves offline.

Apply sarcasm or not based on sleep deprivation.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tptacek on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:58PM (#50448029)
People say this vulnerability was "not super large easy to exploit" because of one poorly-informed skeptical blog post that hit the top of HN, but the evidence strongly suggests that post was simply wrong, and we're just going to have to live with the misinformation until it decays.

At this point the play is simply to move the goalposts, suggesting that vulnerabilities don't matter so long as you yourself couldn't easily exploit them, regardless of what well-armed attackers can do with them. That's, obviously, not how software security works.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by snowwrestler on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:37PM (#50448341)
Are there better sources for understanding the scope of impact enabled by PHP2Shell? My impression from a variety of sources is that very few incidents can be clearly attributed to that vulnerability. As opposed the many other ol’ ways PHP applications get exploited.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tialaramex on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:42PM (#50448379)
> the evidence strongly suggests that post was simply wrong

What sort of evidence? What "strongly suggests" this was actually easy to exploit?

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tptacek on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:48PM (#50448437)
I'm not interested in arguing with you about whether e.g. Dan Guido is a credible source of exploitation information.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by what on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:29PM (#50449110)
What a smug reply. Maybe you could just link to what Dan Guido has to say about it that supports your statement and why people should find that credible.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tptacek on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:16PM (#50449376)
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by cowlevel on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:24AM (#50450281)
The fact that "steal my bitcoin" got its bitcoin stolen within 2 hours?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by cowlevel on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:24AM (#50450283)
It's quite difficult to exploit. But so are most vulnerabilities, but attackers have figured out frameworks for exploiting hard vulnerabilities of this type. The proof is in the pudding - "steal my bitcoin" had its bitcoin stolen.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by grim_io on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:34AM (#50450336)
I think the post scan curl post did a lot of damage to the perception of real dangers.

Instead of highlighting the exceptional quality of curl, under intense, unprecedented scrutiny, the maintainer chose to dismiss Mythos as a nothingburger. I think this was a huge mistake and a disservice to curl itself.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by watwut on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:26AM (#50450948)
The goalpost here was an apocalypse, thousands instantly hacked sites and hundreds of exploits flying around within hours. I did not made that goalpost. And reality did not hit that goalpost.

> vulnerabilities don't matter so long as you yourself couldn't easily exploit them, regardless of what well-armed attackers can do with them.

This is moving goalpost. The goalpost was not "yet another vulnerability like the others".

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by spartanatreyu on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:41PM (#50448373)
> Just a normal "have to patch it and bye" medium kind issue.

Patching it was the issue, not the hole.

1. The patches had to be unofficially backported to the versions of php that most people were using.

2. Devs had to figure out if the unofficial backports were safe and they weren't just falling into trapped versions

3. Devs had to migrate all of their projects to unofficial versions

4. No one was ready for it to happen because there was no advance notice (someone broke the embargo) for everyone to plan maintenance windows and upgrade at the same time.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by plorkyeran on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:48PM (#50448436)
While I'm not going to claim the PHP thing wasn't a real vulnerability, it... doesn't seem to have actually been catastrophically exploited? Maybe it's just too soon and over the next year we'll see a steady stream of people announcing leaks caused by failing to update php in time? Maybe there's a bunch of servers out there running old version of wordpress and quietly mining bitcoin because of it?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by cowlevel on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:23AM (#50450275)
It wasn't exploited because half the internet shut down until it was fixed. Someone put up a site called "steal my bitcoin" with a vulnerable version of PHP and their bitcoin private key on the same server. It was hacked within two hours (of actually enabling PHP on the server) by someone with an AI agent.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by umbra07 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:56AM (#50451127)
19.5hrs, not 2 hours.

https://stealmybitcoin.com/

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by stavros on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:18PM (#50447694)
We've had catastrophic vulnerabilities revealed every other day for months, what are you talking about?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by TheCoelacanth on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:39PM (#50447877)
Vulnerabilities and exploits are different things.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by stavros on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:42PM (#50447907)
You mean like Notion being breached, refrigerators being turned off, that kind of thing?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by flanz_10 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:45PM (#50447926)
Those are exploits. They are different from vulnerabilities.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by stavros on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:46PM (#50447935)
Yeah, I know, and we've had a deluge of both lately. I'm not sure what constructive point you're making.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by beepbooptheory on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:58PM (#50448030)
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Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by sfink on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:18PM (#50448659)
Assume the original message said "exploits" in place of "vulnerabilities". The point stands, independent of pedantic terminology corrections.

The correction is valid. It would be better if people used the right term. It's ok to correct. But it would be better if it were in addition to discussion of the actual point, not instead of it.

(And the phrase "catastrophic vulnerabilities" is pretty obviously talking about exploits anyway.)

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by flanz_10 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:42PM (#50459877)
> The point stands, independent of pedantic terminology corrections

the "pedantic" difference is between something being exploited and not being exploited

> Assume the original message said "exploits" in place of "vulnerabilities".

if the original message said something else, then it would mean something else.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tensor on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:19PM (#50448665)
But we've had both. Soooo?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by decidu0us9034 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:16PM (#50449044)
Industrial coolers and boilers and so forth being publicly exposed isn't a new thing though, people just used to avoid targeting civilian infrastructure in cyberwarfare... That's not like a new AI thing that's just human stupidity on display...
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by Forgeties79 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:04PM (#50448537)
I would hardly say hardly been literally every other day. That’s incredibly hyperbolic
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by qnleigh on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:14PM (#50448160)
Given how fast progress has been in the last year, be careful what you wish for...

For example, as others have noted, there were no results on cryptography in OpenAI's October 6th math drop. But it seems unlikely that they didn't look at this sort of thing.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by Lerc on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:08PM (#50448570)
That seems like a damnned if you do and damnned if you don't situation.

There were conflicting claims about the degree to which the $6 Billion Binance heist was an AI thing. But either way it seems like it would be a "look what it enabled" or a look what it failed to prevent"

If nothing happens at all it's waved away as scaremongering rather than prevention.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tensor on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:18PM (#50448652)
I don't understand, it seems like every week there is a new major breach. Multiple law firms have had unprecedented breaches, dev platforms, and companies of every kind. You name it, there's been a high profile breach.

At the point I wonder if there is any information left secure honestly. These are not from glasswing, but they are from LLMs.