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Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by toast0 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:24PM (#50447155)
Consumer tastes may have changed... but we don't know for sure because nobody builds the trucks we want.

I know I see a lot of light duty fleets that switched from Rangers to F-150s only because the Ranger was discontinued and there were no small trucks to switch to.

These are businesses that need a 6 foot bed for gear, but don't need to have more than one seat (but two is fine), and would like fuel efficiency and dollar efficiency.

Some of them went to work vans, but nobody is selling those right now either.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by mywittyname on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:23PM (#50447744)
> but we don't know for sure because nobody builds the trucks we want.

Americans collectively purchase over 1 million trucks a year. They come in all kinds of different form factors from work truck with unpainted bumpers to 700HP supercharged dune runners, there are massive couches on wheels with interior made from saddle leather, to trucks pushing 1000ft-lbs to torque. There are EVs trucks with 400 miles of range and crossovers with the hatch turned into a tiny bed. There's even a Jeep Wranger with a bed (Gladiator).

If there's a significant market for a truck niche, it's covered. Trucks are far and away the most diverse segment of the US auto market. If manufactures killed of the truck you want, it's because they apparently can't find 1,999 other people to buy that trim.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by toast0 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:08PM (#50448098)
> Americans collectively purchase over 1 million trucks a year. They come in all kinds of different form factors. If there's a significant market for a truck niche, it's covered.

They do not come in all form factors. Compact trucks are missing.

> If manufactures killed of the truck you want, it's because they apparently can't find 1,999 other people to buy that trim.

If that were true, Ford wouldn't have stopped selling the Ranger in the US. They stopped making them in December 2011.

Yearly sales [2] were

   2005  120,958
   2006   92,420
   2007   72,711
   2008   65,872
   2009   55,600
   2010   55,364
   2011   70,832
   2012   23,848
Why stop when you're selling 50k+ a year, and sales increase to 70k when you let people know you're cancelling it.

Canadian sales were about 20k a year, with 2011 and 2012 combining to hit 20k-ish. [2]

If it's not sales, and it's not competition (because all of the competition stopped servicing this market, too), it's because CAFE forced us to buy bigger or older trucks.

[1] https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/ranger#year-sale...

[2] https://carfigures.com/canada-market-brand/ford/ranger#year-...

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Marsymars on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:54PM (#50448907)
> They do not come in all form factors. Compact trucks are missing.

The Maverick is a compact truck. It's slightly shorter and somewhat wider than the Ranger.

It's specifically only the 2-seat compact truck form factor that's missing.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Grombobulous on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:08PM (#50459375)
The Ford Ranger came back in 2019 and is currently on sale in the US.
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by toast0 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:22PM (#50463053)
Let me know if they make a two door regular cab version with a 6 foot bed. :P
Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by linksnapzz on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:49AM (#50455527)
>If there's a significant market for a truck niche, it's covered.

Substitute "car" for "truck" in that statement, and you have exactly the justification Ford and GM had for not building the first minivans in the late '70s.

Ford even had all the detailed market research that said you could move ~700K units of such a vehicle per year; but disbelieved it, "b/c if that were truly the case, GM would've made those already."

Hal Sperlich took that information with him to Chrysler after Henry Ford II fired him, and the first thing he did at Chrysler was to convince John Riccardo to develop the K-car, which provided the parts Sperlich would need for the minivan a few years later. Despite the staggering profits generated by the first minivans, it took GM another six years, and Ford another ten to begin selling a competitive product.

Point is, don't assume every addressable profitable niche is actually being addressed.

Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Grombobulous on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:18PM (#50459502)
I answered another comment of yours pointing out that the Ford Ranger is for sale in the US since 2019, Ford brought it back and it is on sale. It even has a Raptor variant.

I think that the amount a small truck was valued by American consumers, including business consumers, is vastly overstated.

The reality is that most American businesses don't see any downside to the large size of the F-150. To them, a parking space is a parking space. The fact that you had parking restrictions probably makes you something of an outlier in the US market.

The single-row seating for whatever reason is particularly unpopular. I suspect that more people really want to be able to fit more than 3 people in the truck, and the additional benefit of the crew cab is locked interior storage.

Anyone else who needs a long bed can also buy a van, and in my area I see way more businesses with work vans than with pickup trucks. If you put your stuff in a pickup truck it can't be locked and secured, and it's exposed to the elements. That's a no-go if you're an electrician, plumber, HVAC technician, etc.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that work vans aren't being sold right now:

Ford Transit

Mercedes-Benz Sprinter

Chevy Express/GMC Savana

RAM ProMaster

Certainly the smaller work vans like the Transit Connect and Nissan NV200 are no longer with us, and that's unfortunate.