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Re:Ableton Live 13 by iainctduncan on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:54AM (#50441256)
People here might be interested to know that you can run Scheme (lisp) code directly in Ableton through my Scheme for Max project in Max for Live.

S4M is an open source extension to Max that allows you to run the s7 Scheme interpreter in a Max object, similar to the JS object in Max. Advantages over JS are that in can run in the high priority scheduler thread, enabling accurate timing, it has direct access to the file system from Scheme code, and allows you to make Scheme s-expressions directly in Max messages. It is also a very nice way to control the Live API, as the live API works on lists of symbols.

https://github.com/iainctduncan/scheme-for-max https://www.youtube.com/c/musicwithlisp

I'm planning another major release in the next few months as part of my PhD work.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by legitronics on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:04AM (#50442261)
Very cool will check this out more
Re:Ableton Live 13 by nylonstrung on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:05AM (#50442284)
Are any of the schemes/lisps for music specifically worth checking out. I know there is CLM Common Lisp Music and it seems in general the language family would be a good fit
Re:Ableton Live 13 by iainctduncan on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:37AM (#50442731)
CLM was actually made by the author of s7, who is one of the godfather's of computer music. You could check out Common Music 3 which was a big inspiration for S4M and also runs s7, but it is unfortunately non longer actively developed as the author now has to teach using Python.

Other Lisp music related things include Incudine, Slippery Chicken, the Snd editor, MozLib (CL stuff for Max).

Re:Ableton Live 13 by diskzero on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:37AM (#50442740)
It is an integrated environment, but https://www.opusmodus.com is worth checking out if you are into algorithmic compositions and Lisp.

There have been several Scheme-like live coding systems that have become popular and faded away over the years. https://tidalcycles.org and its web-based friend https://strudel.cc are Haskell-like and were also getting some good attention a while go.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by larodi on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:20PM (#50444097)
Once opening the door to Strudel.cc, there's no coming back. Its approach to patterns and sequencing is so ingenious, I can see a whole generation embracing it as modern way, modern notation for music, which is not played physically, but performed digitally. Further on - strudel is so easily plug-able that it easily integrates with DAWs and even a simple Mainstage + VSTs (or VCV rack) is more than enough to go totally berserk with both sound design or/and pattern sequencing.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by H1Supreme on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:14PM (#50444000)
Pretty cool! The Javascript object has really limited uses due to the low priority thread execution. Imo, they should have just exposed the C api in an object. I've tried writing my own Max external object in C, but ended up writing VST's (in JUCE) instead.

Either way, going to give this a go!

Re:Ableton Live 13 by 12_throw_away on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:15PM (#50445711)
I have been agonizing this week about whether to drop a few hundred dollars on either GarageBand->Logic, or Ableton Lite->Standard.

So when I read something like

> you can run Scheme (lisp) code directly in Ableton through my Scheme for Max project in Max for Live

Well ... sometimes the universe decides to make your decision really really easy.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by swerner on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:47PM (#50446106)
Note that Max 4 Live is not included in Standard.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by blt on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:59PM (#50446882)
Ableton is a great inspiration for software devs. It's stable and efficient, and has amazing undo and file recovery systems. An antidote to Electron and chatbots.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by kev009 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:13PM (#50447033)
Ableton is pretty unique in focusing on it's namesake "Live" (although Bitwig has clear lineage), and it definitely clicks together well. I think it would pair well with Logic or Cubase if you were doing "serious" work for a variety of reasons. But it is easily one of the better choices for getting started and for ideation.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by pitchlatte on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:37PM (#50447291)
you’ll need Studio for this, not standard. but i’d recommend Ableton over Logic right now. they are on the cutting edge of DAWs and have been for years.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by jimmyjazz14 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:10PM (#50448123)
you might also consider Reaper which is infinity customizable, I personally use both Ableton and Reaper both are fantastic (as is Logic and Renoise which I also sometimes use). Might be worth noting that Max4Live is only included in Ableton Suite not Standard and other but can be added separately.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by theYipster on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:47PM (#50448871)
I have and use both Logic and Ableton Live Suite (which is needed for Max 4 live.) They are both great DAWs, and they can complement each other well. Which one you may prefer comes down to the type of music you create and whether you prefer a traditional linear arrangement style of recording (Logic and Ableton are both strong here, although Logic has a more traditional UI) or a session/live-loops based style of recording (Ableton is much stronger here than Logic IMHO.)

If your budget constrains you to Garage Band -> Logic or Ableton Lite -> Standard, you will get more with the upgrade to Logic, especially if you rely on the instruments/presets that come with the DAW rather than 3rd party plugins. Note that you can't use the Scheme integration unless you buy Ableton Live Suite, which costs considerably more than Logic or Standard.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by rbartelme on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:19PM (#50447709)
Get out of town...that's wild. I wonder if my crusty old mac pro running ableton 11 + Max4live would work with this.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by paradox460 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:13PM (#50448151)
Could one run lilypond inside this inside Ableton?