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Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by losvedir on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:40AM (#50426297)
Anyone with evals picking up a real signal? I've learned not to trust "vibes".

The only one I'm familiar with testing Opus 5.5 specifically over time is https://github.com/ninjahawk/livenerf and it's not showing anything.

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by velcrovan on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:08AM (#50426690)
Seriously. "Something changed" is not a "nerf".
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by aerhardt on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:13PM (#50429259)
The theory of expectations or our psychology adapting and seeing the flaws is also a credible hypothesis.
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by nsingh2 on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:32AM (#50427006)
It's hard to tell, but I think they also pin the harness version? Updates to Claude Code can also have big effects on perf, and Claude Code updates a lot.
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by arecurrence on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:15PM (#50429282)
This is a good point. Importantly, Claude Code updates change the system prompt and that has both direct and very broad effects on the output. Livenerf hasn't changed the Claude CLI version in 2 months.

They also have this comment in getting started: "Pin the CLI. This is not optional: a Claude Code update changes the harness, and a changed harness looks exactly like a changed model. Turn off auto-updates and write down the version you're pinning"

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by pythonaut_16 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:14PM (#50431298)
Which seems both valid and wild. Valid that if you want to compare model performance you need to limit the variables.

Wild because as an end user I don't care what Anthropic changed to affect performance, I only care that Anthropic caused degraded performance.

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by Rapzid on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:01PM (#50432073)
It doesn't even matter if you pin them. Claude Code and Codex have "experiments" baked in and they can change your cohort remotely.

So your harness behavior can change without updating it.

Fun.

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by jrflo on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:06PM (#50429155)
This should be at the top. I'm so tired of people vaguely claiming models are "nerfed" when it's far more likely that your subjective experience has changed...
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by nonethewiser on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:18PM (#50429334)
Definitely would be good to see more objective figures but benchmarks arent always great samples either.

If there was a silent degradation then the recent chatter about suspected nerfing is what you would expect to see. Of course that's not evidence, but I dont think we can say it's far more likely that its all subjective.

I mean the basic intuition doesn't seem unfouded. Maybe people can confirm/deny this contention for compute. But Anthropic is compute constrained. Inference takes compute. Model development takes compute. Isn't it plausible that there will be periods of contention? Or do we have information that suggests inference compute is affected by model development?

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by WarmWash on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:35PM (#50429562)
It feels more like a crowded casino where someone asks "Is it just me, or is this table cursed?" and 50 people all run to agree.
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by pythonaut_16 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:17PM (#50431354)
Please stop gaslighting people. I'm tired of people claiming that my subjective experience has changed and not the observable behavior of the models.

Anthropic has confirmed that they make changes to the models, for example with the recent update to limit reverse engineering.

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by jrflo on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:06PM (#50432133)
I think it's similar to how an artist's eye is ahead of their hand [1]. As you get more experience with the models you start to notice their shortcomings more and more. When a new model comes out, everything seems crazy good for a while, until you start to realize the weak points again. Benchmarks aren't everything, but people have created numerous benchmark trackers because of this phenomena and no one has caught degraded performance yet, other than this post catching that something changed (no connection as of yet to performance though)

[1] https://www.rensoart.com/why-your-eye-is-ahead-of-your-hand-...

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by codegangsta on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:24PM (#50429421)
Exactly right. I feel like anyone with a comprehensive eval suite (companies running their own agents) should see this signal and it would be a well known fact by now if that were the case.

The only thing I could maybe see is that any changes that are being made are happening on the subscription tiers on not the api tiers, but even that seems like quite a stretch.

Like anyone who is building agents with a good eval suite would know, models have been pretty consistent and even small harness changes can impact performance considerably.

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by seizethecheese on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:34PM (#50429556)
We do, but it’s not definitive. We are building a battle system on top of OpenCode [1] and Opus 5.5 seems to have dropped since Nov 3rd.

If you calculate Elo only before 11/3 and compare to only after 11/3, the Elo is 52 points lower after. Unfortunately we are still in beta so this isn’t conclusive (confidence interval of -160 to +40).

If we do this calculation on all our models, Opus 5.5 is first in apparent drop. (Again, not definitive, but supports the conclusion.

[1]: https://agentduel.com/leaderboard

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by sergiotapia on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:35PM (#50429581)
I follow this dude: https://x.com/bridgemindai/status/2110774897064681884

He has his "nerfbench" he calls it. Very useful and entertaining at least. :)

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by morley on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:37PM (#50429600)
The last check was executed Oct 16: https://www.bridgebench.ai/nerf-bench
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by montroser on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:37PM (#50429610)
I wonder to what degree do they pattern match and route these tests to the "unnerfed" cluster...
Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by kingstnap on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:54PM (#50429871)
Lifenerf is really not sensitive enough.

Firstly, there is a lot of A/B testing. You would likely need at least 10 or 20 accounts to catch these random tests.

Secondly, the labs obviously run GPQA and MMLU like livenerf does and watch for their own regressions before doing A/B tests. These benchmarks are statistically the thing already being filtered out. You need tasks out of distribution. Ideally ones in distribution with the stuff they particularly frequently change (like safety or copywrite adjacent tasks).

These harnesses, and hidden system prompts, do get screwed with quite a lot in my experience. The models are actually remarkably consistent via API but there are tons of stealth system prompt and harness changes that lobotomize these models all the time.

Like despite being stochastic, try asking Luna to generate you a video game pitch via the API 100 times. It's almost always the same thing about lighthouses for some reason. That's actually why I tried to make a CLI entropy generator project.

Re:Is Opus 5.5 nerfed? Thinking patterns changed on November 3 by antupis on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:58PM (#50429956)
At least when I saw this thread I ran subset of my evals and therewasn’t any degradation. But I am using opencode with business copilot so it might be completely independent from average code + Claude subscription experience.