Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by s_u_d_o on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:06PM
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Companies with billions of $, stopping R&D on the most revolutionizing technology/ breakthrough is something I can’t understand. I do understand there’s an AI Race to win, and that is with transformer and current LLMs architectures, but if research could find a better, more efficient approach they would re-shape this race, lead it, or even dominate it.
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Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by move6729 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:08PM
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They are losing tons of money on it. Simple as.
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by IncreasePosts on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:10PM
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But is it a race to zero? Maybe AI will make very expensive things (eg software engineering) very cheap, but there will be enough competition that the margins are tiny and don't actually justify putting crazy dollar amounts into research
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by move6729 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:20PM
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That's exactly what's happening. Software -> 0 marginal cost (obviously still need engineers to actually make the architecture). LLMs -> Price of Energy / Amortized Cost of GPUs. "AI Labs" -> Owned by Creditors
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by s_u_d_o on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:04PM
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From an engineer, who’s devastated by this, i have to admit/raise my concern: why do we still need engineers to make architecture? Why is everyone saying that’s a must? For me the toughest problem was coding a huge repo/pkgs, architecture should be much of an easier task to do. I’ve seen it do sys design, scaled architecture better than 10X engineers. With good planning, context and prospective info -> it can produce extremely good architecture even for complex systems.
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by nonethewiser on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:26PM
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Im not sure I would say architecture specifically. Just anything on the input and output.
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by move6729 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @01:02AM
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It cant lmao (skill issue)
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by ACCount39 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:52PM
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The problem is the "if". There is no guarantee that there's a "better, more efficient approach" to be found.
So far, the attempts to replace the transformer LLM with something else have yielded either "the same transformer LLM but with this one tweak that makes it 10% better" or "a radically different architecture that's a bitch to work with, and performs, best case, about the same as the transformer LLM".
By now, I'm firmly in the camp of "the architecture is good enough". Rifle is fine. Transformer is fine. Get better at the transformer before you look at anything else.
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by nonethewiser on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:25PM
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And getting the transformer better may make finding the next thing easier
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by Xenoamorphous on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:16PM
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I think it’s more likely that some future LLM model finds a more efficient architecture than a human does, at this point. So yeah I’d go all in on LLMs too.
Re:Microsoft Researcher John Langford Exits. AI Frontiers Gr...
by 0xpgm on Sunday November 08, 2026 @03:25AM
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Big corporations, by nature, are not rational in the decisions they make.
That's why they'll always be room for startups.