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Re:The End of AI Frontiers by esseph on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:18PM (#50407180)
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Re:The End of AI Frontiers by shadowpho on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:05PM (#50407556)
Ok yeah but it’s not a certain bet. Resources are limited and you gotta allocate them efficiently.

10% chance to be market leader doesn’t sound as good as 60% second place to them for example

Re:The End of AI Frontiers by esseph on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:18PM (#50407664)
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Re:The End of AI Frontiers by siva7 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:18PM (#50407668)
The job of the CEO is to assess the research risk correctly. Zuck made the right bet here to replace him.
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by hvb2 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:52PM (#50407936)
The guy that named his company after his own diversion?

It's his call for sure, but rather funny as an argument.

Re:The End of AI Frontiers by hikarudo on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:30PM (#50408251)
The fact that someone made a mistake before doesn't mean that they will always make wrong calls.
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by ImPostingOnHN on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:05PM (#50408903)
not as a matter of certainty, but it certainly increases the bayesian prior probability of their calls being wrong
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by thelastgallon on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:45PM (#50408333)
Maybe he is keeping the name as a constant reminder of the mistaken. Like Berkshire Hathaway: Warren Buffett says Berkshire Hathaway is the “dumbest” stock he ever bought. https://www.cnbc.com/2010/10/18/warren-buffett-buying-berksh...
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by esseph on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:27AM (#50414076)
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Re:The End of AI Frontiers by robotresearcher on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:26PM (#50407739)
They can buy LeCun’s new thing if it works out.
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by geertj on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:06PM (#50408913)
> It's not a distraction if the research pans out

It is because even if it would pan out, it would mean temporarily losing AI leadership, reducing stock price, losing the ability to hire talent, and by virtue of that losing the opportunity permanently.

Re:The End of AI Frontiers by thatsabadlook on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:54PM (#50407479)
The mainstream is wrong and in a lot of ways hazardous. He had every right to say he wasn't willing to sign is name on the wrong technology when he new better. When you hire smart people you listen to them. Elsewise you get what you deserve.
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by frozenseven on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:52PM (#50407941)
>when he new better

He was against LLMs, reinforcement learning, etc. Claiming that those are a dead-end. He was wrong. His own "JEPA" ideas have basically gone nowhere. Meta was right in moving on without him.

Re:The End of AI Frontiers by ForHackernews on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:23PM (#50408622)
I'm not sure he was wrong. No one has solved the fundamental problem with LLMs, which is that they cannot be trusted.
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by frozenseven on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:42PM (#50409120)
Ok, so we're talking about applying connectionist systems/models to the messiness of the real world. And "trust" isn't an on-off switch. The goal is to build systems that are smarter and more general. It's a process. I don't think even Yann LeCun has made any strong claims beyond that. He just thinks that his way of doing deep learning is better.
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by jack_pp on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:34PM (#50410438)
Most humans can not be trusted either, that's why you have processes in place to test and review work
Re:The End of AI Frontiers by johnnyanmac on Sunday November 08, 2026 @02:14AM (#50411099)
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Re:The End of AI Frontiers by gamblor956 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:31PM (#50409419)
LeCun wasn't wrong. He simply had higher standards for results and accountability that LLMs are, by design, incapable of reaching.

Zuckerberg wanted to placate his shareholders with a shiny new thing now.

would've stopped Meta from delivering a polished product like Muse sooner.

Muse is not polished, unless usability and programming standards have fallen so far in the LLM vibe coding era that a pre-alpha state is now considered polished.

Re:The End of AI Frontiers by solyin on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:17PM (#50409653)
Compared to the user buying a Mac mini and following a tutorial off Twitter to install some random shit they found online?

Muse is imperfect, as is all software, but calling it pre-alpha is a bit much.

Re:The End of AI Frontiers by teruakohatu on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:25PM (#50409939)
You will find brilliant scientists in every discipline who are not the least bit interested in a particular branch of research because they/their lab didn’t invent it. That’s fine for public research but not helpful private research.