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Re:Goodbye from Salon by benbayard on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:21PM (#50383961)
Independent journalism shutting down is really tragic. One of the OG internet publications.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by tptacek on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:26PM (#50384019)
Punditry is a kind of journalism, but far from the most important kind; what people get from Salon today they can get better from a hundred different newsletters.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by PaulHoule on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:25PM (#50384669)
I think the most damning fact about the readers of The New York Times is that they're much more interested in the opinion page (which is just Charlie Blow blowing it out his ass) than they are in the actual reporting which might concern some people you don't know in some place you never heard of that did something that involves a lot of explaining.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by tyre on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:44PM (#50384873)
This is Maureen Dowd erasure. Please respect one of the GOATs of vapid, internally-inconsistent nonsense. She's an absolute legend.

Nor can we forget David Brooks, the moralizing conservative who left his wife for his research assistant 24 years his junior.

David French accusing Mayor Pete of fixing bread prices, Lulu Garcia-Navarro with more glasses than good faith questions, etc.

Say what you will, but the NYT has a deep bench of shenanigans. They truly love the game.

Re:Goodbye from Salon by tptacek on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:52PM (#50384982)
David French is a weird person to single out here. Dowd and Brooks don't have any real identities outside of being vapid pundits; French is a former movement conservative (and litigator) who was defenestrated for opposing the rise of Trump. You don't have to like him --- I don't read him --- but he's not really at all like Dowd or Brooks. When you make that comparison, you weaken your point, because it sounds like your real problem with NYT opinion staffing is that it includes right-of-center voices.

If you just wanted people to agree with you, Salon definitely had you covered!

Re:Goodbye from Salon by easterncalculus on Thursday November 05, 2026 @09:47PM (#50387523)
Genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about. David French joined NYT in 2023 and was already an independent. He is not at all a foil and is basically in lockstep with his more left of center cohosts like Jamelle Bouie (who is apparently a fascist, according to the median Bluesky poster). This idea that he’s a right of center contributor to NYT is based entirely on work from before he was there. The only person who was right of center in NYT opinion was Ross Douthat and he’s already gone.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by tyre on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:07AM (#50388758)
You think that based on my view that the NYT Opinion section is a clown car, I therefore want to only read people who agree with me?

The NYT happens to staff people on the intellectual right, which is whatever. It's a core part of who they are. My issue is lack of intellectual rigor.

Re:Goodbye from Salon by PaulHoule on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:16PM (#50399225)
I can say personally I like David Brooks a lot more than I liked him 10 years ago but he left the Times to go work for The Atlantic.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by paulpauper on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:35PM (#50386139)
David brooks was never that heavy on moralizing, imho. He was more of an idealist who saw a vision for society that he conceded could never be realized , but was content with people otherwise acting in accordance with their incentives and preferences.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by DonHopkins on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:50PM (#50384307)
All the good news web sites got fucked.

I miss suck.com.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suck.com

Suck.com Net.Moguls Internet Mogul Trading Cards:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181211075708/http://www.suck.c...

Rick Adams, Front:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180802115113im_/http://www.suc...

Rick Adams, Back:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180802143444im_/http://www.suc...

And the hard hitting parody of fuckedcompany.com.

Fucked Company published an excellent documentary on the Digital Entertainment Network.

(It's from "Fucked Company", so obviously it's NOT SAFE FOR WORK, but who's at work any more these days?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W41Ttr73TqU

>Dot Com Boom & Bust - Digital Entertainment Network

>A parody of the founders of Digital Entertainment Network. DEN was "a quintessential example of the excesses and lack of control of the dot-com craze."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Entertainment_Network

>I rescued this from the Internet Archive before it got taken down, and it was originally posted on the Fuckedcompany.com website, which went defunct in 2007.

Yes, THAT creepy Epstein buddy pedo crypto shill guy, Brock Pierce:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6iDZspbRMg&t=19m42s

>Cryptocurrencies: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

Brock Pierce's Relationship With Jeffrey Epstein Went Deeper Than Anyone Knew:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/brock-pierces-relationsh...

Fucked Company:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company

Oh no :(, the Internet Archive fucked them:

https://web.archive.org/web/2/http://www.fuckedcompany.com/

>Sorry.

>This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.

Alternative alternative archive of the front page, only existing in the web.archive.org snapshot of wayback.archive-it.org:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240326164342/https://wayback.a...

Then they went from sorta fucked:

https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20091016001955/http://www...

To fucked:

https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20130104195206/http://www...

Re:Goodbye from Salon by felixgallo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:10PM (#50384492)
hotwired, suck, boing boing, CNET, digg, slashdot, segfault, geocities, flickr...
Re:Goodbye from Salon by ghaff on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:48PM (#50384930)
I still subscribe to flickr but it basically exists on the back of Smugmug and I'm not sure how long that can keep going.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by okeuro49 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:14PM (#50384537)
Substack is booming.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by throwaway2037 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:21PM (#50384616)
I agree. In the last 10 years, a huge number of popular independent journalists and pundits (opinion writers) have moved to Substack. For me, in 2026, it is the OnlyFans of blogging.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by ghaff on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:53PM (#50384993)
Booming is a relative term. I would have to see how many writers are making a "living wage," a favored term of people in tech circles which generally means a fraction of what they make.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by paulpauper on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:28PM (#50386052)
it's just a blogging platform + newsletter service. There was never an expectation ppl would make a living income from it, except for only the top. But it's like this with almost everything in life.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by solyin on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:17PM (#50388118)
Yes there was. The monetization was why it wasn't medium.com. Friend of a friend is a substack writer. 50k subscribers that pay $10/month for her insights.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by paulpauper on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:24AM (#50389233)
I said "except for only the top." With 50k subscribers, presumably this is in the top tier
Re:Goodbye from Salon by aquentinn on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:44AM (#50401981)
Why do they host it on there then, can't they just get a domain and own their data/content?
Re:Goodbye from Salon by paulpauper on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:09AM (#50402095)
It's a blogging platform built around an app , which is like a quasi-social network in its own right.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by ghaff on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:24AM (#50403947)
Some short answers are ease and discoverability. I use Blogger myself after fiddling around some mostly because it was easier (and a bit cheaper) than setting up and hosting something myself.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by ghaff on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:50AM (#50391237)
>except for only the top. But it's like this with almost everything in life.

For creatives, however you care to define the term, probably. But there are a lot of professions where fairly run of the mill professionals and even tradespeople still make a pretty decent living even if they're not partners in their organizations or own their own businesses. Of course, you get down to the tier that's doing taxes at Walmart or working in an auto parts stoor, not so much, although probably still more reliable income than the average Substack writer.

Re:Goodbye from Salon by paulpauper on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:18PM (#50385948)
it's amazing how much long form content there is over the past 5 years, especially the past 2. my reading list is so flooded I have given up
Re:Goodbye from Salon by vlyan on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:29PM (#50384711)
Re:Goodbye from Salon by MonkeyClub on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:48PM (#50384937)
If it sells, you sell it and make money.

In fact, you sell it in all colors and make more money:

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+people+site%3Asalon.co...

It doesn’t have to be good, it just has to sell.

But then someone democratizes the publishing (Substack).

Someone else then mechanizes the producing (LLMs).

And you no longer sell.

Bummer.

Re:Goodbye from Salon by vlyan on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:39PM (#50386674)
https://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/white_men_must_be_stopped_t...

the tone is very different, don't you think?

Re:Goodbye from Salon by MonkeyClub on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:53AM (#50390769)
Slightly, but that was the custom at the time.
Re:Goodbye from Salon by vlyan on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:04PM (#50397638)
lol, yeah, exactly.

knowing that most of them had already been replaced with diverse individuals prompting an inclusive LLM for equitable $2/hr pleases me immeasurably.

Re:Goodbye from Salon by dang on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:51PM (#50420859)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:Goodbye from Salon by paulpauper on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:17PM (#50385940)
independent journalism is on substack, twitter , tiktok or other social media
Re:Goodbye from Salon by linhns on Thursday November 05, 2026 @08:25PM (#50386996)
Sadly, it ceased to be that way for a long time.