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Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by mrinterweb on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:57PM (#50382935)
As uncomfortable as this may be for the tech industry, I have been hoping for AI related stock prices to come back to reality. A market correction is a healthy thing so long as it doesn't turn into a collapse. IMO, some AI companies have ludicrous valuations considering their astronomical debt. A reality check may be healthy long term.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by timacles on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:13PM (#50383116)
a reality check for a crazy person can result in a mental breakdown
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by rchaud on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:14PM (#50383135)
Debt to Equity ratio thresholds are a common metric for lenders to call in loans.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by criddell on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:38PM (#50383429)
[delayed]
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by paxy on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:58PM (#50383679)
Market is still up from 3 months ago
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by qphe95 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:19PM (#50383203)
Yeah I'm not sure how Anthropic is going to IPO at this rate...
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by FLeXMurphy on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:22PM (#50383233)
With more visits to the Vatican.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by gyanchawdhary on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:26PM (#50383272)
i died reading this lol
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by ZenoArrow on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:29PM (#50383320)
> Yeah I'm not sure how Anthropic is going to IPO at this rate...

There are plenty of suckers willing to gamble on a failing business (massive and rapidly growing debts, assets that can easily be cloned, no realistic path to profitability), so I don't think an IPO is off the table.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by ASalazarMX on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:40PM (#50383452)
It had a big user base boost during the Cancel ChatGPT movement, but still not a viable business model, not at their current prices.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by 0c3ca83 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:24PM (#50383245)
A collapse would be nice too.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:31PM (#50383332)
Not sure if you're joking, but I go back and forth between this thought. Finance is not my forte, far from it for sure, but there's a part of me that hopes a collapse can at least open the door for future opportunity. A "reset" if you will. The younger generations are up against a massive wall when it comes to acquiring wealth (or even a reasonable means of living at this point), it would be nice to give them an equal chance. I know this is very likely a naive take, but it's the only hopeful aspect of a collapse I can accept.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by JohnMakin on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:35PM (#50383387)
That's what people said in 2008, instead, wealth was incinerated, the most vulnerable got hurt the most, while the already wealthy got bailed out and bought back assets at bargain bin prices. The wealth owning class would love a collapse.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:56PM (#50385037)
Oddly enough, 2008 is exactly what inspired my comment and it's based off my exact experience back then. I couldn't afford investing in the market, I couldn't afford a home, and the interest on car loans were higher. All of that changed after the 2008 collapse. First I should mention that I was laid off and unemployed during some of it, so there was a huge negative impact for sure. What followed after though was amazing. I was able to invest in some $1-$5 stocks in the market that were previously not obtainable to me. This investment actually took me/my wife from being in debt living with my in-laws to completely out of debt and into our own place. Once I finally got employed again, I was able to save up enough just in time to buy a home at near the bottom with low interest. Car loans were also low interest. It was life changing and for the better in my situation.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by no-trbl-2-u on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:24PM (#50408627)
This is actually kind of inspiring. Obviously, I still feel concerned about the parallels between the 2008 housing crisis and the current tech bubble bursting. But as someone who also wants to get into investing but feels to broke to do so, now I know I just have to wait until the world is burning (kidding, lol). All jokes aside, this is still interesting. Especially as someone who will live through both.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by triceratops on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:41PM (#50383468)
How would this give young people a chance? If they have cash to buy up assets cheaper then so do older rich people.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:57PM (#50385045)
Please see my comment here, I think it answers your question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50385037
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by quickthrowman on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:33PM (#50385456)
Your anecdote about getting lucky doesn’t answer the question, sorry. Rich people have money to buy cheap assets when shit hits the fan, unemployed people do not.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by triceratops on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:43PM (#50385572)
It really doesn't. You could've bought any $1-5 stocks in that time. You happened to buy the ones that made you money.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by grey-area on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:44PM (#50383496)
Unfortunately this is not what happens. The Big Short is a great illustration of a few things about collapses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k5aVLi_yhM

When the market crashes, a lot of people lose jobs, and a lot of people die. Everyone suffers but those with money suffer the least, by far.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by smallmancontrov on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:55PM (#50383629)
Not quite. Poor people suffer more in real terms, but rich people suffer more in nominal (dollar) terms. Nominal inequality gets reset.

Don't let the term "nominal" undersell this: it's nominal inequality that locks working people out of assets and imposes upon them the need to service the (otherwise) exponentially growing profit expectations of their economic complements. At no point in the cycle is it better to be poor than rich, but the contractionary quadrant is the one where the gap shrinks.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by grey-area on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:03PM (#50383729)
Not sure it works like that: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9122750/

2008 decreased inequality for a very short time, inequality increased after. The rich have the available assets to profit from instability and are able to ride out unemployment, for the poor a crash and losing their job can be existential.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by Kirby64 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:04PM (#50384444)
> Nominal inequality gets reset.

Why would it? The wealthy people who haven’t allocated their capital to those assets that are depressed from a recession can reallocate to the depressed assets and end up even wealthier on the rebound. People with no money at all don’t have that opportunity to invest.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by smallmancontrov on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:10PM (#50386429)
The stock market is $80T, cash is $20T. The former cannot "weather the storm" in the latter in aggregate, even though I'm sure there are individuals who successfully timed the market.

> At no point in the cycle is it better to be poor than rich, but the contractionary quadrant is the one where the gap shrinks.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by dualvariable on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:48PM (#50383548)
The inflation being caused by all the "crowding-out" caused by AI overinvestment is currently incredibly harmful.

That really needs to unwind.

However much potential energy has been stored in it, is going to turn into kinetic energy in the subsequent correction/crash.

The best time for this to happen is as soon as possible, causing the least amount of damage.

I pretty much expect the damage to be immense, though, but that is going to be unavoidable at this point. However big the bubble is, it needs to pop.

In retrospect, we will find that there were truly idiotic decisions made in blowing up the bubble, and in the aftermath the wrong people will almost certainly get hurt, because that is just what we do these days.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by BeratnaGas on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:48PM (#50383550)
There's not much incentive for institutional change when everyone's making money. Yeah, it'll hurt folks a great deal short term. But may be better for our kids long term.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by bathtub365 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:56PM (#50383651)
[delayed]
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by elorant on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:59PM (#50383694)
At the very least we could buy hardware again at rational prices.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by ASalazarMX on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:36PM (#50383413)
IMO OpenAI jumped the gun and rushed an immature product to be there first, no matter the costs. The other players saw it as a threat, and started running with the same carelessness. It has been spiraling since then, and while the product keeps improving, their business model hasn't demonstrated sustainability.

Their CEOs know it, and they must have their end game. I'd hate to think they'll just keep running until a hard crash. Hopefully small corrections will slow this down in a more controlled manner.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by oniony on Thursday November 05, 2026 @02:57PM (#50383663)
You forgot the bit where China undermines the whole business model by releasing open weight models.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by marwamc on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:42PM (#50384219)
much to our delight as peasants who were being lined up at the token furnaces of the big american labs.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by ASalazarMX on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:49PM (#50386253)
That was a disruption if I've ever seen one, but they are also paying the price. Every LLM maker right now is losing money.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by mrinterweb on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:55PM (#50386798)
And I wholeheartedly thank China for doing this. The open weight models are fantastic, and make power consolidation of AI monopolies less likely. Open weights bring real competition to the space and help commoditize inference.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by hotelsacher on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:08AM (#50389497)
They won't mind a hard crash, as long as they get richer on the way.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by pwarner on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:05PM (#50383762)
I hope they go low enough I'm willing to buy some shares of ANT
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by BoardsOfCanada on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:14PM (#50383878)
I don't know - I think open source will outcompete them. What's their moat?
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by benenrjdnz on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:20PM (#50383947)
The moat is GPUs/TPUs, ram and compute. When you need $200k of compute to run the frontier models, you are likely to be renting access to generate your tokens.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by lisplist on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:38PM (#50384815)
Probably close to $1M+ if frontier models are truly 5T and above params.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by honr on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:39PM (#50384818)
Current RAM is no moat. Upcoming Compute-in-RAM is. And nobody has that built up at scale yet. So, while a moat might become possible, we only have yesteryear's hardware as "moat".
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by nyorai on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:32PM (#50385444)
Can you explain what compute in RAM means?

I thought HBMs are technically the fastest possible thing for inference.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by honr on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:30PM (#50386072)
The academic term is now "Compute-in-Memory". That's MOSTLY what has suddenly been hiring SRAM and DRAM designers across the industry this year. It is part of the fast evolving field of doing inference efficiently. This has been all the rage in several Electronics conferences this year.

Please don't rely on my [inferior] explanation and search for yourself (start here for insance: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+compute+in+memory+an...). Asking about a new field is much better done with AI these days, because you can get it to explain just the interests and questions you personally have, rather than a generic and boring explanation.

In short, better than HBM is not having to move data in and out of memory at all or at least not as much. The compute part in inference is much simpler than the data hauling part.

Couple of examples: Check out Axelera's Europa board (upcoming) or their Metis board (existing). Or check out Mythic.ai which FINALLY managed to raise funds in Nov / Dec 2025. Ironically, her PhD thesis had been gathering dust before that.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by rvz on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:37PM (#50386150)
That is not a moat. (and it is not theirs either) It just means that their models are highly inefficient that it requires a lot of compute to run them.

Open weight models such as Deepseek, GLM are just as good as the frontier closed models and already we have bank such as Revolut migrating off of frontier closed models and self-hosting. [0]

[0] https://x.com/guilleflorvs/status/2117379073785696395

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by mixmastamyk on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:06PM (#50383781)
Good hardware companies are now trading at far under ten P/E, hardly ludicrous valuations. Sure there are some poor companies out there, but Nvidia and Micron are not among them. Buying opportunity when things settle down.
Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by nyorai on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:30PM (#50385423)
Nvidia has not been a buying opportunity for a while now. Training new models is the moat it possessed. The models are as good as they can be and have diminished returns beyond this. TPUs by google and CPUs by AMD are eating into their inference margins.

Micron is a different beast though.

Re:Nasdaq Sinks 5% as Investors Retreat from AI Trade After ... by mixmastamyk on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:52AM (#50394882)
All the hardware makers are supply constrained, p/e reasonable, so nvidia has some more room to run. Though not be unicorn growth from here.