my sole excuse is price. I'd happily cough up anything below $1100 for this particular phone. anything above that is simply exorbitant. RAM went 5x over 2026, so I'm practically forced to not consider any hardware purchase at all, not even used, for now

I fail to see the logic in it being worth $1099 but not $2k.

If your max price point were $600 or something, sure, but once you’re above $1k what’s the difference? You already value it greatly.

So if you can pay 20k for a car, you may as well pay 100k, because you already want a car? I'm not sure I get the argument.

2k is two times 1k. There are many things that I would not buy for double the price.

He said the price being over his $1100 cap was what stopped him. It exceeded his cap by $499.

In your example where you were sold on a $20k car, would the car being $20,499 stop you from buying it?

> In your example where you were sold on a $20k car, would the car being $20,499 stop you from buying it?

The real example would be the car costing $9073 more than the $20000 budget. It's an increase of 45% it's not trivial.

Do you assume that beyond a certain threshold people just have infinite money?

It will probably go on sale soon close to your price point, as non-Apple phones typically do.

I'll wait a few months for prices to go down a little, but I'm excited to get one.

> my sole excuse is price

To be clear, I’m not criticizing anyone balking at a $1,600 phone. I’m expressing skepticism at marketing a GrapheneOS phone at that price point.

Its not being marketed as a GrapheneOS phone. It is a Motorola phone that will come with MotorolaOS. It additionally meets the hardware security requirements for GrapheneOS, and can be flashed with it. There is a possibility preinstalled options will be available but nothing has been confirmed.

Your sole excuse will disappear within few months, lets see how it works for your then

well if I can finance it then it's alright. I strongly believe that this is a device for at least 10 years, so it's totally worth it

Only 7 years of guaranteed updates.

> A lot of voices saying "I would totally buy..." and then an excuse comes up when it's time to actually buy.

Yeah, well, to me flagship is a one-word descriptor for "overpriced and enshittified device for suckers". Just in this case, now that the OS seems to deliver, it's the hardware. If you don't offer 3.5 mm audio, active stylus, full-feature USB-C 3.x+, and a uSD slot with a good enough screen in a slab you can get lost. It's that simple.

I mean, is there any phone left with a 3.5mm jack, SD card support, and decent specs?

Just those 2 alone disqualify a lot of the market. I'd like to have both, but I'm currently typing this on a pixel 9 with neither simply because the market isn't there for them.

From 2025 onwards? Only Sony Xperia VII/VIII or... the Ulefone Armor 28/29 Ultra. None of them have a stylus, none of them support GOS.

And Lenovo (Motorola)? For me, so far, nothing. Unless this or next year's successor to the Moto G Stylus 2025 model comes with a much better USB-C port (i. e. not just that cheap 2.0 garbage), runs on GOS, keeps the audio jack as well as the dedicated uSD slot, and improves the not-so-hot stylus.

It's definitely kind of weird, especially since so many users on HN have disposable incomes and are the types who genuinely believe they need a new macbook every year to keep up with web design.

Some us stay at home to raise our kids. Or have been layed off. Or are in lower-paid jobs. Or…

I'm not talking about people that can't afford it, but people that could easily afford it and still poopoo it while spending their money on objectively sillier things. Like a new Macbook every year.