USA under Biden banned Chinese cars for exactly those reasons.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/fact-sheet-safegua...

Without pressure, local companies do not compete.

We need to let them in at a limited capacity and the domestic companies need to feel the heat.

I agree that we’re subsidizing these companies at the cost of the consumer, but I highly doubt they could compete on a level playing field. The competition would be between foreign suppliers. The consumer surplus could be redirected more productively but that number would be diffuse and not easy to measure.

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Sounds like an excuse to protect weak and unprepared American carmakers.

yes USA can be protectionist, and it can also be paranoid. Especially when it involves millions of 2 ton autonomous robots operated exclusively by its major economic and geopolitical rival.

Funny how the paranoia doesn’t apply to sectors that have no US-based industry to protect.

Which are those

That link says the ban comes into effect for model year 2027. And it applies to car software and hardware from China. The cars themselves are fine.

China is not going to sell a dumbcar in USA. The software and comms hardware ban is an effective ban of Chinese cars.

If there were no tariffs, they could import a car without Chinese electronics on-board and install approved gear in it before selling it.

I own a BYD, in another minor western aligned country.. I assume that all players are spying on me. Americans, Chinese, they are effectively the same. I just comfort myself by telling myself that if they both have my data then there is less leverage over me overall.

That's what most of us in the rest of the world feel about American cars and services. At least now, you split some and send your car data to China.

For the average person in the US or UK, this is probably an improvement over having a domestic car brand doing the surveillance and funneling the data to agencies and politicians that actually have incentives to infringe on your rights or crack down on you for political activism that goes against the current regime in power.

As opposed to the US/UK/EU company scooping up all your data?

> from a hostile state that is probably sending data back to China.

In terms of data privacy which state isn't hostile? I'd like an EV which is not connected, but out of available choices, I don't care if it's China or the US or someone else.

Of course the simple answer is don't be hostile to PRC and PRC won't be hostile back. If security sharing concern (read FVEY circumventing domestic security laws), then bring Huawei back and I'm sure PRC, a surveillance state would be happy to spy on UK citizens on MI5 behalf just like the NSA. Or if you want to be spied on less, get a PRC car who are more likely to limit reporting to your home gov on strict lawful interception requirements... plus they literally won't have as much compute as US to track your everything, and whatever little compute they have, they're wasting tokens on microdrama videos. Like all thoe US data centers going to be doing something. This comment 43% satire.

Personally I would rather china spy on me over my own government. 99% chance china never does anything with that data.

“From a position of strength”, the UK is not qualified to be a hostile country to China. Setting aside that possibility, the only remaining explanation seems to be a mix of self-delusion and fear, harbored by a former colonial empire toward a nation it once invaded.

At the very least, China is a hostile country to the UK, and they have a documented history of espionage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_Unite...

Guess which country’s intelligence agency is being called out by name for its clumsy tactics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11364g90mo

UK is a hostile state to their own citzens already