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Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by mosura on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @06:23AM (#50350624)
How long do we keep RISCV going without facing that it has failed? We were supposed to be surrounded by M1 level RVA23 devices by now.

The telling thing is in benchmarks the Loongson outperforms them, by a lot.

Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by cbolton on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @06:41AM (#50350761)
So it's late to deliver hugely complex cores according to some optimistic timeline? That's a weird measure of success. The ISA is successful in the low end and is seeing huge investment on large cores, though most of the promising companies are now focusing on AI or getting bought by large players like Qualcomm. So yeah it might take a while still before we see competitive high end consumer cores. I would still put my money on RISC-V rather than Loongson for the long term but we'll see.
Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by kjs3 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:11AM (#50352216)
That's a weird measure of success.

It's a far better measure than "despite all the years of unfulfilled hype and promises we'll absolutely have a smorgasbord of performant RISC-V cores Real Soon Now". Single core performance down in the Intel Core range? Needs 96 cores to even be competitive on a handful of benchmarks that don't equal a modern users compute needs? The competition isn't sitting on their hands, and RISC-V hasn't delivered the performance it's fanbois have told us is 'inevitable'. Loongson has at least managed late-2010s levels of performance.

Maybe RISC-V will completely take over the embedded market. That's not a bad gig. High volume, tho slim margins, lot's of niches for lots of innovation (want to continue to go crazy with ISA extension? Not a big deal in the embedded world). But they're still selling billions of 8051s, ARM is ubiquitous but even they didn't take over that world, and I know how I would lay my bets there, too.

Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by cbolton on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:41AM (#50352585)
That's using he most enthusiastic fanboy predictions as the baseline by which to judge success, not a recipe for reaching the right conclusions.

I'd rather look at all the data available. If you want to compare to Loongson, you have to include the 20 years head start that this company has in developing microarchitectures, a big part of which can be transferred to the Loongson designs. And factor in the strategic investments in China who doesn't want to depend on ARM and x86, while in the Western world people were happy with x86 and ARM and big money is mostly flowing to AI chips, where RISC-V is successful.

Then there is Xiangshan Kunminghu... For some reason the most powerful open source CPU is RISC-V. Chinese and not Loongson.

Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by mosura on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:59AM (#50352831)
> I'd rather look at all the data available

There is no data to suggest RISCV can ever be competitive in the large core space. The longer this absence goes on (now approaching 15 years) the more evidence there is that it is structurally incapable of competitive implementations.

If you wanted to create a project to distract a whole generation of computer architects from getting anywhere this is exactly what it would look like.

Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by imtringued on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @07:50AM (#50351398)
Isn't it a bit hasty to say this, when one of the more powerful RISC-V CPU cores (Ascalon) hasn't been taped out yet?
Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by mosura on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @07:59AM (#50351471)
This stuff has all been six months away for years now.

At some point we have to accept it isn’t happening.

Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by kjs3 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:24AM (#50352370)
No, it's not hasty to say that a processor that I can buy and benchmark today outperforms a processor that hasn't even been taped out.
Re:European RISC-V Industrial Computing Initiative by dragonelite on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @08:31AM (#50351769)
It makes sense for the Chinese to make Loongson be performant, its an ISA they fully control and only have to do with domestic Loongson standard body politics instead of having to deal with global Politics in the RISC-V standard bodies.