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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by afsina on Saturday January 05, 2013 @05:39AM (#5012266)
Curious, no mention of the elephant in the room (Android).
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by skrebbel on Saturday January 05, 2013 @07:20AM (#5012416)
Maybe he doesn't own an android device?

It's a very personal article, about his and his family's personal experiences with a set of devices.

Personally, I like these kinds of articles best. Statistics are nice, but real usage reports like these are something that I can relate to a lot better.

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by cema on Saturday January 05, 2013 @07:54AM (#5012488)
I absolutely agree about the usage reports. Among other things, being professionally involved in computing (and having been professionally involved for all my adult life) skews my perspective, and it is important to see what the regular people do with computing devices and how they feel about it.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by pavanky on Saturday January 05, 2013 @05:50AM (#5012281)
> I've been blogging here for a decade and I stand on my reputation for being fair and impartial to the best of my abilities.

ctrl + f "android"; none found. shrug. give up

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by sbuk on Saturday January 05, 2013 @08:11AM (#5012530)
What if he's got no experience using Android and sensibly decided to make no comment on it?

This insistence on balance is getting tedious. Humans like something better than others, often with prejudice. When I see someone claiming about bias or a lack of balance I just read it as the have a different opinion and want to whine about it.

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by gbog on Saturday January 05, 2013 @09:02AM (#5012638)
> This insistence on balance is getting tedious.

Balance? No, here I would insist on honesty. Had this guy been honest, he would have mentioned Android and maybe Ubuntu, at least to tell us he has not much experience with them. But as GP said: elephant in the room.

Can you imagine a guy talking in general terms about high-end cars, emphasizing proudly his "reputation for being fair and impartial", talked at lengths about Mercedes and Audi, and about Audi and Mercedes, and never even mentioning BMW?

Anyway, the Giant Mammoth in the room just shows how Microsoft fears Android much more than Apple, and rightly so.

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by sbuk on Saturday January 05, 2013 @10:20AM (#5012828)
Not really. The OP was talking from personal experience. Besides, it's his blog. He is not a journalist, and the integrity that you are insisting upon is just a fallacy, as are the trite car analogies.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by rimantas on Saturday January 05, 2013 @10:30AM (#5012853) 

  > Had this guy been honest, he would have mentioned Android
  > and maybe Ubuntu, at least to tell us he has not much
  > experience with them
So being honest means listing all the things you never touched and maybe don't even know they exist (Ubuntu mobile OS)?
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by shanselman on Saturday January 05, 2013 @02:03PM (#5013604)
Honest it was just because a rooted TouchSmart is a crappy Android tablet. You can decide that means my employer affects my blogging so that I ignore that "elephant" or you can read my detailed post on how to root your own TouchSmart. ;) http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToUpgradeAnHPTouchPadToAndr...
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by gbog on Saturday January 05, 2013 @07:45PM (#5014738)
Good to have you here. You said you are fair, let's see: do you think Android has some significant room in tablet space?
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by shanselman on Monday January 07, 2013 @02:45PM (#5022788)
Sure it does. And if I had (or was loaned) a Transformer or some other Android (other than my frankstein's HP TouchPad) I would have included it.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by sbuk on Saturday January 05, 2013 @08:34PM (#5014867)
That's a loaded question if ever there was one!
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by gbog on Sunday January 06, 2013 @09:17PM (#5018875)
Well, the GP writes a blog about future and tablets, has a self-declared "reputation for being fair and impartial"; why would he not reply to a common question as Android's room in tablet market?
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by sarvinc on Saturday January 12, 2013 @12:59AM (#5046696)
The GP has already answered your question but I can't help asking what does this prove? If the GP said "no I honestly don't see a place for Android" would that make him less honest or bias? He may be wrong or right but I'm not sure how you could judge bias by the answer.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by sbuk on Friday January 11, 2013 @08:06PM (#5046002)
The way you phrased it seemed to be almost a dare. It came across as "I dare you to criticise Android."
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by pavanky on Saturday January 05, 2013 @05:56PM (#5014364)
I am not blaming the lack of the review, but an explanation why he did not include any android devices would have been more fair.

I just found not mentioning android even a single time a little bit strange.

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by officemonkey on Saturday January 05, 2013 @08:56AM (#5012628)
He doesn't really mention "the Ultrabook of Ultrabooks," the Mac Air, either. I think that's just because he doesn't have much experience of it.

If/when Apple decides to add a touch screen to their laptops, they will be extremely close to the perfect machine, IMHO.

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by shanselman on Saturday January 05, 2013 @01:56PM (#5013582)
Agreed.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by AdamTReineke on Saturday January 05, 2013 @05:52AM (#5012282)
He does mention the Touchpad very briefly.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by archangel_one on Saturday January 05, 2013 @06:10AM (#5012306)
Where? I can only see one instance of "touchpad" and it's referring to the laptop mouse replacement thingy, not the HP tablet - which ran WebOS, not Android, anyway.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by ConstantineXVI on Saturday January 05, 2013 @10:42AM (#5012897)
He mentions "slightly larger tablets like the dead (and rooted) HP TouchSmart."; unless 20"[0] is his definition of a 'slightly larger tablet' and Windows can be rooted (in the Android sense) now, I think it's safe to assume he mis-typed TouchPad.

[0] http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Desk...

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by shanselman on Saturday January 05, 2013 @01:57PM (#5013586)
Damn. I'll fix that. Yes I have a Androided TouchPad but I didn't think I was fair to consider it a proper Android device so I didn't add it in.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by randomfool on Saturday January 05, 2013 @11:31AM (#5013057)
Also no mention of Chromebooks, which contrast the $1200 ultrabooks he mentions.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by shanselman on Saturday January 05, 2013 @01:58PM (#5013592)
I have a CR-48 that my mother in law uses for Email. It's a browser, and a slow one. I will mention it but my premise is that touch is essential.
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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by josteink on Sunday January 06, 2013 @07:00AM (#5016097)
I will mention it but my premise is that touch is essential.

Not to come off the wrong way, but in this case I think you are the only one holding on to this definition.

For Chromebooks and Ultrabooks, the promise was to have a light, portable device with good battery time, mainly inteded to provide internet-access. With Ultrabooks, decent requirements for CPU, RAM and storage gets added.

Both has a requirement for being "reasonably cheap" given what is offered (for instance sub $1000 for an Ultrabook)

Intel, the ones "launching" the Ultrabook, has never once mentioned touch when they tried to sell the concept to PC-vendors.

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Re:iPad, Surface, Ultrabook: Are we there yet? by RexRollman on Sunday January 06, 2013 @12:30AM (#5015432)
No, it is not, unless dirty, finger print covered screens is your thing.
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