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Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by hbn on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:08PM (#50120178)
Did you want the cops to arrest the car?
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by temp84858696945 on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:11PM (#50120221)
Immediately stop all Waymo's in the jurisdiction, start legal proceeding against the company. Someone signed off on software/hardware that lacked sufficient protections, find out who.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by hbn on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:17PM (#50120306)
Sure, but it's not a cop's job to perform legal proceedings.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by gruez on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:32PM (#50120548)
>Someone signed off on software/hardware that lacked sufficient protections, find out who.

Crashed prod? Straight to jail.

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by CountHackulus on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:59PM (#50121034)
Bridge collapsed? Straight to jail.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by gruez on Friday October 16, 2026 @01:13PM (#50121252)
not true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940) nothing happened to the lead designer (Moisseiff) or engineer (Eldridge)
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by JumpCrisscross on Friday October 16, 2026 @04:12PM (#50123928)
> nothing happened to the lead designer (Moisseiff) or engineer (Eldridge)

It's a joke–a riff on a Parks and Recs meme making fun of Venezuela at the time. We don't jail aircraft engineers when they make a mistake because just sending people to jail doesn't work as well as encouraging them to co-operate ex post facto so the root cause can be identified.

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by gruez on Friday October 16, 2026 @04:21PM (#50124057)
>It's a joke–a riff on a Parks and Recs meme making fun of Venezuela at the time.

Poe's law strikes again. Of course nobody thinks crashing prod should result in jail, or most software engineers would have spent some time behind bars by now. However it's entirely unclear whether @CountHackulus meant "of course autonomous car engineers should be jailed, just as if an engineer signed off on faulty plans" (which to be fair, also happens), or is just repeating my joke with bridges.

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by JumpCrisscross on Friday October 16, 2026 @04:24PM (#50124103)
> of course nobody thinks crashing prod should result in jail

You'd be surprised at how many intelligent people really do want this.

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by tjwebbnorfolk on Friday October 16, 2026 @05:00PM (#50124623)
Exactly, people on HN want new laws passed every time Cloudflare goes down for 5 minutes
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by JumpCrisscross on Friday October 16, 2026 @05:20PM (#50124912)
To be fair, Cloudflare is near or at the point where they should be regulated as a utility.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by CountHackulus on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:58AM (#50210180)
I was joining in the joke and pointing out the absurdity of that, when that's a big reason why a PEng designation exists.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by azan_ on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:32PM (#50120550)
Aren’t waymos actually much safer and have less incidents per mile compared with human drivers? (Yes, they are and yes they do)
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by soco on Friday October 16, 2026 @01:41PM (#50121689)
Are you referring to the actual case mentioned here, where a car passed slowly through a market and... that was all what happened?
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by JumpCrisscross on Friday October 16, 2026 @04:11PM (#50123905)
> Immediately stop all Waymo's in the jurisdiction

When we start taking idiot drivers' licenses away, sure. Otherwise this is a silly overreaction with a calculable cost in human lives.

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by boplicity on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:21PM (#50120372)
Just to be clear: there are humans choosing to have the car operate. That's not just semantics. Responsibility lies with the people making the choice to cause a system to operate.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by Makeitmakesense on Friday October 16, 2026 @04:26PM (#50124139)
So we should start arresting engineers and executives?
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by boplicity on Friday October 16, 2026 @06:11PM (#50125439)
If people act with gross negligence, then yes, we should arrest them. How that is defined may depend on a variety of factors, though, and is something that already has relevant case law in related fields.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by tuna74 on Friday October 16, 2026 @05:10PM (#50124764)
Executives, definitely yes. One person should be responsible for automated systems and services. The CEO is the most logical choice.
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by fuzzfactor on Friday October 16, 2026 @08:43PM (#50126658)
Certainly not unless they are personally responsible for a serious offense, that's more like corporate malfeasance, not an individual traffic incident.

But the company itself should be given a citation for the majority of ordinary traffic violations, and should be the one fined.

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by mitthrowaway2 on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:26PM (#50120456)
A driver's license suspension would be sufficient, say for six months or so?
Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by gruez on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:33PM (#50120580)
Depends on the circumstances, if it's a mechanical issue without an obvious cause neither the car or driver gets suspended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehic...

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by Teever on Friday October 16, 2026 @12:30PM (#50120509)
What do you believe is the correct course of action for law enforcement to take in this situation?

https://apnews.com/article/robot-germany-sexual-assault-colo...

Can you extend that to this situation?

Re:Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route by fuzzfactor on Friday October 16, 2026 @09:16PM (#50126867)
These may be little, but they are Jaguars.

And cops do sometimes want a higher performance police cruiser than average in case a runaway speeder needs to be apprehended.

Probably going to eventually need an autonomous one of these for some police departments:

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2026/09/california-highway-patr...

No driver needed but you still need to have a Robocop inside to get out and write the citation :)

In the old days this kind of thing was often referred to as a "police interceptor".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW8-1SYvDTI

If the violation is serious enough the autonomous predatory tow trucks will hear it on the radio then show up promptly to whisk the vehicle away, as usual. Plus in this case the driver is detained and the vehicle is impounded in the same stroke :)

After that it would only be fair that they would have to not only pay bail to the court, but also towing & storage fees before being released, like for any normal driver.

And if they skip bail, they're going back in the slammer :0