How many times will we do this? This line of thought is precisely why we can't build almost anything, and China can built almost everything. We could do X, but we're too smart - let's offload the actual work to China and we'll run our economy on IP and B2B deals.
... Built using expertise, machinery, and/or factories from Taiwan, the Netherlands, and South Korea.
The supply chain is far more complex and globalized than you're trying to make out here.
Because any AI company would be hit by hate and regulation derived from this, no VC invests in the EU. It's more state and large enterprise investments, good old East Germany style. And historically it has not been that efficient.
Or simply: lack of risk taking appetite.
No?
Its just that the richest companys with the most VC sit in USA and Europe isn't used to pay what USA / VC is paying and we are a little bit slow.
Well there is Mistral. The EU is ahead on specialised models than general purpose LLMs.
There is.
- Flux3
- Kyutai (Open source AI lab)
- H Company
- LightOn
- AMD Silo (Finland)
- OpenEuroLLM and EuroLLM
There is probably more, but that's off the top of my head.
Black Forest Labs for example has a $4B valuation with half a billion raised so far.
We have no such government with a mandate to do that.
The main one (IIRC) is Spains ALIA.
There is also OpenEuroLLM and EuroLLM.
Europe has none;
The best tech university in Europe when compared to Chinese/US equivalents won't even rank in the top 10.
The LLM they were involved in last year (Apertus) still was a letdown.
As someone who actually went there, my impression is that Europe in general is complacent when it comes to computers, and any bright eyed student will get their motivation choked out of them in academia here.
If you want to do things with AI in Europe, you can have a bigger effect by working for a consulting company than being at a university. That's … not a good sitatution.
Europeans do not have the hustle mentality to break the law like Uber so you wont see them compete in anything data heavy. They also are quite risk adverse, probably from having a lower Gini coefficient.
I feel people are too focused on US/China and don't pay attention to what is going on in the world.
ASML in the Netherlands for example was the only company in the world that makes EUV lithography machines, which all the major chip companies depend on. China recently reverse engineered their work to create machines since late 2025, but not sold commercially.
Ireland has chip production facilities.
EU might not be in the top 2, but it is not out of the running at all.
Europe actually follows americas rules, hence they're not doing that.
It's braindead for sure considering how the US treats europe, but it is what it's
The Chinese just seem to have an ability to get it done without anywhere near the GPUs of the US and Europe can buy these GPUs.
I think relying on the US and China for AI is probably not ideal? For example I think Qwen have not released the Omni models as open weights in the past, it’d be good to know if they’re doing this here?