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Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by itake on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:02AM (#49546136)
I asked a Vietnamese woman if she wanted to play board games at a cafe with me.

She got very upset and stormed off. 2 hours later, she messaged me: "sorry, I was rude, but I will not go to the casino with you."

Common language, culture, and context makes a more peaceful world.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by elliotec on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:33AM (#49546276)
If this happened, you didn't put in the effort to learn to speak Vietnamese well enough. Or she didn't speak your language well enough.

"Common language, culture, and context makes a more peaceful world" is such a ridiculous and abhorrent thing to say I can't even keep writing here.

Edit: Then again, I just saw this post you wrote: https://www.kcoleman.me/2026/01/28/when-everything-becomes-n...

Your last line there - "Instead, in 2026 I want to restore contrast." So I can't tell if you're joking now because those words and this comment are at stark odds.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by dec0dedab0de on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:16AM (#49547297)
If this happened, you didn't put in the effort to learn to speak Vietnamese well enough. Or she didn't speak your language well enough.

Isn’t that the point they were trying to make?

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by itake on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:56AM (#49546729)
As others have touched on, you're applying black and white thinking on what should be a gradient.

Artists and scientists have famously been prosecuted for different communication.

But at the same time, communication gaps also resulted in millions of deaths.

Unifying language/culture/etc enables the "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." Europe knows this (see formulation of the EU). Asia knows this (China's camps, Japan&Korea's immigration policies).

Its not this or that.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by xigoi on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:00AM (#49547178)
The EU explicitly recognizes tens of languages as being equally valid.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by graemep on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:16AM (#49547717)
It has 24 official languages far fewer than are spoken in its member states so already diminishing linguistic diversity.

A lot of things are published only in English, French and German https://commission.europa.eu/about/service-standards-and-pri...

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by roenxi on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:21AM (#49547762)
Driving on the left side or the right side of a road are equally valid. It's still better if everyone coordinates to pick one.

People shouldn't be coerced to give up their culture (in fact, doing that is quite evil) but cultural homogenisation seems like a good thing in principle. We want people to have an easy time communicating with each other.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by elliotec on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:46AM (#49547927)
Apparently it may surprise you that driving on both the left or right side of the road depends on which country of the EU you’re in.

Another great example of the perverse idea that “same == better”

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by xigoi on Thursday September 03, 2026 @07:33AM (#49548683)
What EU country drives on the left?
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by Freak_NL on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:06AM (#49546820)
Either your phrasing is really odd, or you are sincerely promoting China's Uyghur 'reeducation' camps as being sensible for the greater good.

Europe meanwhile, in case you are unaware, is all about unity through culture, but the EU does this by celebrating its diversity (as well as actively protecting minority languages), not by Gleichschaltung.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by alex43578 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:16AM (#49547296)
How well is Europe’s unity through culture playing out when you’re trying to bridge Norway and Somalia, rather than Portugal and Spain or Denmark and the Netherlands?

Hell, looking back a decade or two, the PIIGs would’ve been a bit at odds with the other countries purely over debt.

Does the EU really repressing a best case for the common citizen in terms of unity and aligned society?

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by bluebarbet on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:28AM (#49547816)
The last sentence: parse error
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by heavenlyblue on Thursday September 03, 2026 @08:57AM (#49549374)
It's amusing you're downvoted when EU clearly has Hungary which is a failed experiment at transforming Hungary (well at least up until last election). You could say the same about Turkey. Both way further ahead of Somalia.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by globalnode on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:37AM (#49547455)
different cultures are what makes the world an interesting place. if all i saw was one homogeneous slab of culture i think id go mental(er than i already am)
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by elliotec on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:52AM (#49547965)
EU and China are perfect inversions of your point.

China suppressing ethnic, cultural, and linguistic diversity for homogeneity has caused immeasurable suffering and imperialistic destruction.

EU explicitly embracing ethnic, cultural, and linguistic diversity for heterogeneity has brought more peace and prosperity than ever before to a continent in perpetual conflict for nearly all of human history.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by heavenlyblue on Thursday September 03, 2026 @08:54AM (#49549344)
EU went to wars before not because of cultural differences though. It's not like Hitler necessarily wanted everyone to be a German, he just thought some cultures to be less important than others. Besides, you can always make the joke about the "paradox of tolerance" which by definition tolerates intolerance (which is probably at least one major ingredient of current rise of the right).
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by BoiledCabbage on Thursday September 03, 2026 @09:34AM (#49549737)
> you're applying black and white thinking on what should be a gradient.

You're the one introducing absolutist thinking here. Essentially saying the world should have Chinese style re-education camps because a Vietnamese woman rejected your offer to play a board game due to a miscommunication.

Clearly that hurt you, but your "solution" is insanity. Not to mention I'm pretty sure way more millions have died from people trying to implement your "forcibly convert others to our culture and language" plan throughout history, than from wars started from a language translation error.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by Bjartr on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:05AM (#49551058)
They didn't propose a solution, they proposed an end state. A common language and culture would make for a more peaceful world, as they said. They did not say "and we must get there by any means necessary, existing culture be damned", and I'm not sure where you pulled that in from.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by BoiledCabbage on Friday September 04, 2026 @03:32AM (#49561634)
> They didn't propose a solution, they proposed an end state.

What are you talking about?

Things they explicitly listed: "(China's camps, Japan&Korea's immigration policies)"

China's camps are a process, not an end state. Immigration policies are a process. Clearly they are advocating for a process.

And, no I don't think re-educations camps are a good thing for society.

It's incredible this stuff has to actually be said.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by IAmBroom on Thursday September 03, 2026 @10:28AM (#49550373)
"Unifying culture" is a horrifying concept.

We've seen what evil people can do with cultural subsets that differ - immigrants, POC, Jews, even women in workplaces where they are a small minority.

In fact, aiming for a unified culture is literally, explicitly a definition of genocide, by the UN.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by anilgulecha on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:45AM (#49546341)
>ridiculous and abhorrent

Why such an adverse reaction? Nothing about what they said seems abhorrent! It's a common/usual positive sentiment, like "Understanding things give life meaning", etc.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by freehorse on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:11AM (#49546475)
Because getting "common language and culture" is not neutral when we reside in a world that basically this works with american culture being the global culture. Honestly imo this is a kind of perspective that only an american could have, and being ignorant about what it actually entails. You do not need everybody else to adopt a certain language and way of living to get to understand each other and have peace.

Moreover as other examples here given, geopolitical tensions very often appear between neighbours who have a very similar culture, so sharing cultural similarities does not seem to lead to much of peace in the world.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by anilgulecha on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:13AM (#49546873)
You seem to be projecting "this will impose western culture everywhere" on perhaps an LLM translater being used to ask if they "wanted to play board games at a cafe with me". Perhaps I didn't read all that into "common culture", a specific example was called out.

Cultures are not that weak, or done away with that easily.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by freehorse on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:31AM (#49546974)
Nobody is arguing that translator apps existing is a bad thing, that was not what was told. Obviously being able to communicate with each other is a good thing.

Not sure about nepal, but in some cultures/places (can just be different place within the same broadly culture) they associate eg card playing with gambling. I do not gamble but I play games with cards occasionally, and if I say "let's play a card game in a cafe" without meaning it for gambling it may still be interpreted as suggesting to go gamble by some, even though there is no literal translation issue per se (but there is misinterpretation). I dunno but maybe something similar is what happened.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by prerok on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:03AM (#49546441)
Not the OP but I guess the statement implied cultural and lingual unification which implies erasure of other cultures and languages. We do have to work on being understood across the cultural and lingual division but the differences should be celebrated and welcome, even if they do cause occasional misunderstandings.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by alephnerd on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:36AM (#49546290)
My SO is Vietnamese and a Bac Si trained in Japan and here, and even she has made similar ESL mistakes.

Some of the tools and dictionaries used for Viet-English are wonky, and depending on when they were educated the English teachers were either unqualified backpackers or some grifter who opened an English tutoring center (oftentimes one and the same).

And coming from a language with little overlap with Indo-European languages and roots makes it a very alien experience (and the same in reverse as well).

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by elliotec on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:41AM (#49546316)
I don't know where "here" is, but yes, translation can be hard. That's fine. It doesn't mean we can't get along or have a peaceful world full of diversity in language and culture. We just need to get better at nuance and understanding.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by neuroticnews25 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:13AM (#49546868)
Diversity of cuisine, language and lifestyle is great but at the limit peace is a cultural value in itself, you can't always have peace with a culture that doesn't believe you're as deserving of freedom and wellbeing as they are, and there have been plenty of those over history.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by alephnerd on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:46AM (#49546345)
> where "here" is

California

> It doesn't mean we can't get along or have a peaceful world full of diversity in language and culture. We just need to get better at nuance and understanding

Wasn't making a judgement about that. I was just pointing out a somewhat common mistake and pattern I've noticed Vietnamese ESLers make.

Your reaction seemed very intense and polarizing for what sounded like a funny anecdote of a date gone wrong.

My SO had a similar reaction when she confused "common law marriage" and "civil law marriage" years ago.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by realusername on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:02AM (#49546434)
> Some of the tools and dictionaries used for Viet-English are wonky

There's basically no real complete English/Viet dictionary anyways, the best ones are 90% there.

LLMs here are the best experience

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by itake on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:45AM (#49546656)
I love/hate how Google translate assumes "Anh" means "brother" or "em" means "girl".

This confusion has resulted in Vietnamese people unintentionally describing incest or gay relationships.

[0] - What she actually meant was "brother" in the sense that he is a family friend and neighbor.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by realusername on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:05AM (#49546813)
Yes that's also one of the historical struggles of Google Translate, the pronouns are context based and so are the words, you need experience to know when they start and end.

It's a miserable experience for translation software.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by alephnerd on Thursday September 03, 2026 @08:47AM (#49549273)
You got downvoted but I know what you are talking about, but there were other ways to write that sentence.

Basically what OP is saying is interpersonal relations can be confused when using the Vietnamese and English definitions of both words.

Anh and Em essentially means masculine and feminine, but is also often used in romantic, non-romantic, casual, and sometimes formal usecases and this is heavily dependent on the verbs and adjectives that follow.

Viet-English NMT is very flawed at the moment.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by alephnerd on Thursday September 03, 2026 @08:54AM (#49549342)
LLMs are also a mixed bag. The core issue is limited Viet-English corpora aside from what can be found in local government documents in the US and Canada given the huge Viet Kieu community requiring local governments to create Vietnamese language collateral.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by killerstorm on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:25AM (#49547374)
A lot of language nuance can only be picked up through cultural immersion, e.g. seeing how native speakers interact. (Which is a lot easier nowadays via Netflix, Youtube, etc.) It's pretty much impossible to "speak your language well enough" by studying textbooks and dictionaries
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by jagenabler2 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:32AM (#49546274)
It also makes a boring one. Friction is where interesting experiences, stories, and cultures are born.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by itake on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:46AM (#49546666)
The friction in my story resulted in 2 unhappy people, a relationship lost, when what should have been fun experience for both.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by globular-toast on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:27AM (#49547389)
There is no light without shade. These experiences are necessary for you to appreciate the people you actually mesh with. People are more than just ChatGPT with a vagina.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by bluebarbet on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:34AM (#49547861)
Presumably there are other stories of linguistic mishap that resulted in 2 happy people and a friendship or marriage. You got unlucky.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by patcon on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @11:03AM (#49627785)
Haha I like this complexity. It's also very "meta" and recursive to be having this discussion about the term "friction" itself...!

I hope the irony is at least interesting, and you both feel better and/or worse off for it ;)

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by someguynamedq on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:46AM (#49547085)
I can imagine more interesting pass times than failing to communicate
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by yongjik on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:56AM (#49546396)
> Common language, culture, and context makes a more peaceful world.

As a South Korean - well, considering that my country once went through an existential war against our mortal enemies, the other Koreans ...

Common language and culture doesn't stop hate. Sometimes it just means that your insult will land on your target perfectly as intended.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by itake on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:47AM (#49546672)
Vietnam (and the USA) also famously had civil wars as well :)
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by elzbardico on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:56AM (#49547161)
Yeah. Let's make the world a fucking boring place because american white tech bro thinks he is entitled to have sex around the world without even trying to understand the culture of the people they want to fuck.
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by carlosjobim on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:30PM (#49552733)
What a sad comment.

How would you know if the commenter is American or white or a man at all? Much less what "he" works with.

Or if the interaction happened "around the world" or in the commenters home country?

Or if any of the involved people spoke English at all?

Probably you don't care about any of that, because you are high on your own supply of hatred.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by elzbardico on Thursday September 03, 2026 @10:44PM (#49559938)
You're just moralizing in another direction.

We live in a world of imperfect information, we vote with imperfect information, we marry with imperfect information, we invest with imperfect information, heck, now we even write computer code with probabilistic methods! And you are trying to imply that I am somehow a bad boy for noticing the obvious clues and inferring the scenario?

Are we now living in the world of the dictatorship of the literal, where we can't even make social discurse without a school marm appearing to stamp [citation needed]?

All that said, this is very typically brazilian, as I infer that you most probably are, due to the fact that nobody uses their real name on HN and thus, much probably your name is paying homage to the famous brazilian music who created Bossa Nova. This petit-burgeouise habit of tone-policing without really adressing the argument is a defining characterist of the brazilian educated elites.

Oh! I did it again! I inferred a conclusion from incomplete information. Pardon, mon ami!

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by majorbugger on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:34AM (#49547438)
While at that, let's also get rid of all the cultural differences (which can cause problems during such interactions) because it's gonna be more peaceful
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by sph on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:52AM (#49547553)
I really hope you and GP are being sarcastic.

Cultural differences are what makes the world and humanity so interesting.

Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by tapland on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:47AM (#49547522)
Let's not think about how effectively we'll be able to snuff out emerging divergence
Re:The shrinking landscape of linguistic diversity in the ag... by CyberDildonics on Thursday September 03, 2026 @07:27AM (#49548639)
I'm not sure a woman not wanting to hang out with you has anything to do with LLMs affecting the way people write.