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Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by Tichy on Friday December 21, 2012 @04:35AM (#4952098)
"efficiently monetizing their userbase."

Is this newspeech for ripping off their customers?

I don't know their games, but I wouldn't be surprised if their clients are mostly teens maxing out their parents credit cards. Yeah sorry, I am a bit in a cynical mood I suppose.

Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by ericcholis on Friday December 21, 2012 @07:59AM (#4952507)
I'm usually inclined to agree, but it's not as clear cut with Clash of Clans as a Zynga game for example. Clash of Clans follows a traditional RTS model, building things takes time. Now, they've given you the option to purchase gems to automatically finish buildings.

This clearly exploits people's need for instant gratification. However, that need for gratification is up to the user, not the game. The game itself is quite fun and easy without ever spending a dime. There is nothing "game breaking" that has to be purchased with real funds. It's one of the truer time = money models out there.

Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by xutopia on Friday December 21, 2012 @09:34AM (#4952769)
One detail though is that some buildings at the beginning of the game (I couldn't play any more than that) take 10 minutes to build. If you want to shorten that time to a playable amount of time you have to purchase gems.
Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by jerf on Friday December 21, 2012 @10:52AM (#4953104)
I dunno. It's not as if mobile games cost $50 bucks, but ship basically incomplete and you have to buy more stuff in the game itself to really play it. We're starting from a baseline of what is, in general, grossly inefficient "monetization", so seeing someone succeed at actually making some money probably isn't grounds for immediate cynicism. (And I too am a natural cynic.) Compare with MMORPGs that did cost $50 and then you had to have a monthly subscription too, or Diablo III and its real-money auction house.
Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by EwanToo on Friday December 21, 2012 @11:51AM (#4953416)
If you look at some recent "freemium" games like My Little Pony [1], then mobile games can very quickly start to cost $50 or more. In that case, it was selling a single in-game pony for £50/$80, but cut the price for that pony to $8 after user complaints.

1 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20629245

Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by emcl on Friday December 21, 2012 @04:57AM (#4952147)
Are candy/confectionery manufacturers supposed to feel guilty that they make stuff kids like and nag their parents to spend money on their products? Supercell has carefully designed the game to encourage impulsive purchases but that doesn't mean that the players are not deriving any pleasure out of it. And teens maxing out credit cards is something that can be easily stopped.
Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by throwaway64 on Friday December 21, 2012 @05:30AM (#4952198)
I belive there is a real moral hazard to selling addicting/impulsive products, especially to children. After all this is part of the reason why zynga has such a bad reputation.
Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by lmm on Friday December 21, 2012 @08:45AM (#4952637)
>Are candy/confectionery manufacturers supposed to feel guilty that they make stuff kids like and nag their parents to spend money on their products?

Yes?

Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by Tichy on Friday December 21, 2012 @05:41AM (#4952215)
I don't know, are tobacco manufacturers supposed to feel guilty for selling addictive cigarettes that kill?

Is anything that makes money automatically good? After all, somebody is willing to pay for it?

As for chocolate, we still have adverts praising health effects of some chocolate for children (in Germany). I think eventually they might get sued, as happened to the cigarette industry.

Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by LaGrange on Friday December 21, 2012 @07:33AM (#4952462)
You know, Luxemburgerli are ridiculously expensive. But they're mostly marketed to adults, and as a luxury food that you get to indulge on, and don't even buy in huge amounts.

This is different from marketing something to children, or making something addictive, or doing both at the same time. And, this shows that you can make something with a big profit margin without relegating to abusing your customers.

Of course, games may be different. At some point everyone and their dog will own Minecraft, and not everyone can live off donations like Dwarf Fortress. I don't think that justifies going into dependency-forming mechanisms, though. If that means you can't ethically fund the rest of your life out of a single game (nor does it automatically make you ultra-wealthy), well, welcome to the movie business. Or book business.

Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by gluegeorge on Friday December 21, 2012 @05:18AM (#4952181)
How can you rip people off who want to pay and know what they're getting? I guess I'd call it good design and user acquisition.
Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by Tichy on Friday December 21, 2012 @05:42AM (#4952218)
The question is, are their users children or adults? I have seen it a lot of times that children are being ripped off with mobile games. They don't really know how much they are spending.
Re:Supercell is bigger than EA in terms of monthly iOS revenue by sublimit on Friday December 21, 2012 @05:58AM (#4952256)
I'm not a fan of free-to-play games myself because of this reason. The game mechanics are so clearly calculated based on the revenue they'll bring in. I feel like I'm always just a walking micro-transaction to the developers, even after I pay for something (actually even more so at that point). And one can't truly succeed in the game without paying, so it lacks the healthy competitiveness non-casuals want from their games.

It's good business, but not good gaming.