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Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by WalterBright on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:21PM (#49452699)
> Curry had a stroke while receiving a massage

This happened to an acquaintance of mine. He had a pain in his neck, and went to a chiropractor. The chiropractor massaged his neck, which released a blot clot that went into his brain and gave him a stroke. His life afterwards was severely degraded. He was only in his 40s.

I'll never let a chiropractor touch me.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by zemvpferreira on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:44PM (#49453029)
Hear hear. An alarming amount of people around me have had serious health scares directly caused by manipulation. A friend of a friend was nearly left paraplegic after a sports "straightening" by a well-known local specialist.

A close friend who had an extremely aggressive breast cancer at 35 (and is given to natural cures etc etc) took up acupuncture as a secondary treatment. All well and good until the third session, when the acupuncture people tried to get her to drop out of chemo and radiotherapy to fully commit to their treatments. Alternative medicine as a term should be considered fraud and its more radical practitioners thrown in jail immediately.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by wiglaf1979 on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:54PM (#49453152)
I forget which comedian said it in a bit they did but it's always stuck with me.

Something along the lines of "If alternative medicine worked we would just call it medicine."

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by MaMa on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:59PM (#49453245)
"By definition", I begin "Alternative Medicine", I continue "Has either not been proved to work, Or been proved not to work. You know what they call "alternative medicine" That’s been proved to work? Medicine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Minchin%27s_Law

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by cwillu on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @03:51PM (#49454850)
https://youtu.be/HhGuXCuDb1U?t=178

(The whole thing is worth rewatching)

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by ColinWright on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:57PM (#49453213)
Tim Minchin
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by bitwize on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:59PM (#49453247)
"Alternative medicine was either not proved to work, or proved not to work. Do you know what we call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?

Medicine." —Tim Minchin

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by pragma_x on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:11PM (#49453389)
Yikes. I've tried accupuncture. It _can_ work wonders for pain. But as a cure-all? Total quackery. Sorry your friend was approached like that in a time of need.
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by zemvpferreira on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @04:09PM (#49455131)
Appreciate your kindness. Unfortunately it’s very hard to understand if a woo-woo provider is waiting to prey on you when you’re at your weakest. I prefer not to support any pseudoscientific treatment modality if I can help it. Stick to disciplines who are subject to a higher degree of effectiveness and scrutiny and you’ll be saving yourself and others. Anything called mecidine and anyone called a doctor must uphold the highest standards.
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by RajT88 on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:32PM (#49453672)
I have tried it a couple of times. For muscle tightness, there is some science behind why it works (and indeed this worked for me). Did it work better than a very painful massage session? No. But it was a lot less painful!
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Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by stickfigure on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:12PM (#49453411)
"I personally know more skydivers injured by parachutes than whatever they are supposed to prevent"
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by ChemoKills on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:13PM (#49453420)
I said killed

Stickfigure changed his comment from “drivers”/“airbags” to “skydivers”/“parachutes”

What I would say to “parachutes” is that evidently so many people do not go skydiving - why?

If doctors were peddling skydiving as a cure to anything, I would be just as skeptical as when they suggest radiating yourself to death.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by onraglanroad on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:32PM (#49453668)
> millions are radiated to death through capitalist medical systems that drive sales and prioritize profit over cures

This would be a reasonable belief if the USA was the only developed country to use chemo and none of the more Socialist European countries did. In fact, I'd be very wary of any such treatment.

But the reality is that all countries use it as a last resort. So the idea that doctors are recommending it for profit is obviously wrong: a Scottish doctor makes zero more money whatever treatment they recommend, so your theory is obviously wrong.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by ChemoKills on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:52PM (#49453946)
Having nationalized medicine does not mean drug sales don’t occur, it just means the doctor is not the dealer, and often doesn’t run a private practice.

The facilities still purchase drugs and equipment from private manufacturers.

In your example of a socialist country where the doctor is not incentivized to sell Drug A - someone above him still is.

After all, big pharma sells their drugs to government sponsored health systems and hospitals too.

You are running with the idea of socialized medicine to mean that the country actually produces all its own manufacturing, research, etc. and that no capitalism occurs when that’s nowhere near the reality.

There is no such thing as a health system that focuses on preventative care and actually caring for people. The ones that do exist, people like you call “alternative” or wacky while chomping amphetamine pills and going bald from radiation poisoning.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by onraglanroad on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @04:07PM (#49455093)
But the doctor doesn't have any incentive to push whatever the purchasers recommend.

The Scottish NHS really does care about treating people. I know several people who work there.

Your "people like me" spiel is a little lame because you are rather obviously ignorant of the world. Why don't you expand your knowledge rather than continuing here?

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by NutsItch on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @10:27AM (#49522491)
You guys aren’t very good at beating trolls tbh
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by onraglanroad on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @02:59PM (#49526414)
I don't write my comments just for the people I'm replying to. It's more for people who might believe what they wrote.

I don't really care if the original post is trolling. Frankly it's rather sad that people feel the need to get attention online by pretending to be stupid. I wish they had better lives.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by NutsItch on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @10:27AM (#49522481)
ya stickfigure is an idiot
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by NutsItch on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @10:26AM (#49522475)
You are making his point.

You are arguing whether or not you need a parachute when he is saying don’t have to go skydiving at all.

If a doctor prescribed skydiving as a cure to anything, it would be just as erroneous.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by nixon_why69 on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:44PM (#49453021)
Chiropractors are cranks but a normal muscle massage is really unlikely to cause a stroke AFAIK. The risks from Chiros as I understand it involve the big "adjustments" where they go for big pops, particularly in the neck.
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by WalterBright on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @04:27PM (#49455386)
He already had the blood clot in his neck, which was the cause of his pain. The chiropractor's massage released the clot.
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by nixon_why69 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:14AM (#49465267)
Sorry for your friend. It sounds unfortunate all around.

I'm not a doctor but I was an athlete and the default suggestion of "my neck/knee/legs/arms hurt" -> massage is standard common wisdom. Maybe an MD would have stalled for an ultrasound but then you have all of the insurance and delay issues.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by johnohara on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:45PM (#49453853)
Back when I was running seriously I would occassionally turn my ankle on uneven surfaces. A local chiropractor "tested" my ankle alignment and concluded I needed orthotics to line up my hips. I purchased them but the delivered product weighed 3X the weight of my shoes and never fit properly.

After numerous visits to correct the orthotic problem, he referred me to another chiropractor who "specialized" in these kinds of things. That chiropractor's office smelled of incense and reminded me of a place I might use purchase a bong, four-hose houka, or Discwasher vinyl album cleaner.

He entered the "operatory" wearing a robe and proceeded to test my "neural strength" by having me create a loop with my thumb and index finger. His test involved trying to pull my fingers apart. He told me I was weak on the same side as the turned ankle. His solution was dietary and recommended a jar of yeast wafers. One a day while the ankle healed until finished.

Purchased them too.

In the meantime, I discovered an ancient remedy involving frozen water which I applied to the ankle with great effect. I also purchased a new pair of running shoes for a third of the price of an office visit and was able to continue running comfortably.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by WalterBright on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @04:29PM (#49455417)
I was prescribed orthotics and wore them for years. I never noticed any improvement. After I started running regularly, then I saw improvement, and threw away the orthotics.
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by voidfunc on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:02PM (#49453278)
I'm dealing with a relatively minor but annoying back and neck issue and the number of people that have come out of the woodwork to tell me to go to a chiropractor is kind of shocking.

I need actual physical therapy from someone with a credible degree in sports medicine. It's a relatively common muscular issue that I'm pretty confident can be handled with stretching and strengthening routines but nobody has suggested doing that so far.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by throw0101d on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:43PM (#49453837)
> The chiropractor massaged his neck, which released a blot clot that went into his brain and gave him a stroke. […] I'll never let a chiropractor touch me.

This is not chiropractor specific:

> Arterial dissection is well known as a potential cause of stroke in young patients. Vertebral artery dissection occurs most commonly in the setting of minor trauma but has been seen in cases of cervical manipulation. With advances in at-home therapeutic modalities for neck pain came the advent of handheld massage guns. These massage guns have gained considerable popularity in recent years, but their safety for use in the cervical region has not been well studied.

* https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9197740/

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by kstrauser on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @01:45PM (#49453044)
> The chiropractor massaged his neck, which released a blot clot

...or possibly caused the issue: https://www.businessinsider.com/woman-paralyzed-chiropractor...

Yeah. Chiropractors are not doctors, whatever their degree mill happens to say.

Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by etrautmann on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @02:04PM (#49453294)
edited to remove off topic response
Re:Tim Curry, Star of Rocky Horror Picture Show and Stephen ... by quickthrowman on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @06:12PM (#49456627)
> I'll never let a chiropractor touch me.

I have no idea why anyone ever does. It was invented before medical science was a thing by a guy with a 5th grade education and has been thoroughly debunked.