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Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by mindwok on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:57AM (#49328559)
I genuinely think Dario is a well intentioned, intelligent dude, but I think him and Anthropic have a huge PR problem and are really out of touch with how they're perceived.

Anthropic in particular has developed this almost Orwellian like veil of condescending rhetoric that on the surface suggests they're looking out for you while underneath they're taking actions that suggest they do not trust you, Mr/Mrs Ordinary Person. All the safety rhetoric, never supporting open weight models, the lockdowns on harnesses outside claude code, etc.

Anthropic if you care about public good, do something to empower people. Release an OSS model. Open source Claude Code. Open source some inference tooling or something. Just give people anything except your words.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by tornikeo on Monday August 17, 2026 @06:42AM (#49328888)
> I genuinely think Dario is a well intentioned, intelligent dude, but I think him and Anthropic have a huge PR problem

Is this what kids call rage bait these days?

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by reasonableklout on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:30PM (#49337910)
It's admittedly a bubble, but Anthropic/Dario still have quite a good reputation among AI tech workers. They are seen as principled and willing to speak up about AI safety and societal impacts, even when it affects their bottom line (such as when being declared a supply chain risk by the Pentagon).
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by ausbah on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @11:49AM (#49347524)
and how does the public view AI tech workers?
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by 7373737373 on Monday August 17, 2026 @06:36AM (#49328847)
And maybe don't allow the military to use your AI WHEN YOU CAN'T TELL WHETHER IT WAS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING OF HUNDREDS OF SCHOOL CHILDREN
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by perpetualpear on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:22AM (#49329208)
I might've been bamboozled, but I recal that happening due to outdated satelite images, not a mistake of the AI. Thus, a human would've likely made the same mistake.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by mrhottakes on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:46AM (#49330779)
> Thus, a human would've likely made the same mistake.

The AI industry and all of its sycophants in the Trump administration are working very hard to make you believe this.

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Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by tsimionescu on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:16AM (#49329158)
There is a huge difference between your product being used for basic military operations like taking notes or getting from A to B, and your products suggesting military operations that kill hundreds of schoolchildren, an obvious and horrific war crime.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by yoavm on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:25AM (#49329230)
It's a mistake. If it was done by an auto-correct mechanism, would we still say "maybe don't sell your word processor to the army if you can't vouch for its auto-correct system!!!"? Besides, "taking notes" can literally be listing targets, and "getting from A to B" can be the road to killing them.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by digdugdirk on Monday August 17, 2026 @08:13AM (#49329617)
If the US military purchased camera guided smart munitions with a miscalibrated camera, such that it ignored adult targets and instead specifically targeted children, would that also be a simple mistake per your argument?
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by yoavm on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:26AM (#49330468)
If one camera out of thousands has this issue, then yes it's a mistake. If the army doesn't notice it isn't working well after shooting the first child, I'd be learning more towards blaming the army.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by 7373737373 on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:59AM (#49329472)
How intelligent and autonomous does a murderbot have to become before you stop absolving its creator and seller from any responsibility?
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by yoavm on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:23AM (#49330430)
LLM are not murderbots simply because its a very niche use case. They provide some kind of general intelligence, that many of us use daily to vibe code HTML. If the fact that LLMs are also sometimes used to automate killing then humans should be considered murderbots as well, since few of us engage in the activity of killing (and are autonomous & intelligent). Send the blame to our "creator" then?
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by 7373737373 on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:48AM (#49330815)
You didn't answer my question
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by yoavm on Monday August 17, 2026 @10:03AM (#49331123)
Sorry of it wasn't clear. I put the blame on the creator/seller of any murderbot, regardless of its autonomous or intelligence levels. I disagree that what were talking about, Claude, is a murderbot or anything close to it.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by q8zd3 on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @06:50AM (#49343804)
LLM providers get a free pass for anything these days, unfortunately
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by tsimionescu on Monday August 17, 2026 @08:56AM (#49330090)
Again, a product that facilitates the taking of notes, even notes that entail the killing of human beings, is fundamentally different from a product that exists to suggest which human beings to kill (or at least which places to destroy, regardless of whether human beings happen to be there or not).

If MS Word had some kind of systematic bias that made it likely to corrupt the notes taken in it such that they tend to be more bloody battle plans, then that would indeed lead to some responsibility on the MS engineer's part for any mistakes that result from this bug. Similarly for Ford engineers if their vehicles had some bug that made them more likely to lead soldiers riding in them to the wrong destination.

If your system is designed to help choose targets, and it chooses the wrong target, especially with such tragic consequences, then your system is likely not fit for purpose and you should be held responsible for selling it to the army. And that is assuming it didn't actually have some bias + misalignment problem where it intentionally tried to kill children, and selected this school specifically because it gave some plausible deniability. For all we know, it's even possible that some bias like this was known about inside Amthropic and hidden from the public - unless an external investigation is made, that can't be ruled out.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by 7373737373 on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:18AM (#49329177)
Thou shalt not kill, that's all there is to it really

If you provide tools that help an organization kill easier, and possibly lazily rely on your inaccurate tools' judgment, and you do not care about the outcomes of these tools' uses, that's on your soul, too.

Yes, causality and attribution are hard sometimes, but it may have been that without it, hundreds of humans would be alive right now, and he doesn't even know. Maybe he should talk to the kids' parents about what alignment means.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by yoavm on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:29AM (#49329252)
Ah, I didn't realize we're having a religous discussion. If all there is to it is "thou shalt not kill" then I guess that according to your POV he shouldn't have sold to the military even if the system was only suggesting "valid" targets.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by noahbp on Monday August 17, 2026 @10:23AM (#49331498)
They had a near-monopoly on AI-usage by the US military, then had a very public fallout because they refused to allow it to be used for autonomous weapons and mass-surveillance which their main competitor (OpenAI) publicly undermined by immediately signing an unlimited-use agreement, and now they also get flack for this incident they had no control over, because the US military decided to smear them after this fallout?
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by malfist on Monday August 17, 2026 @06:18PM (#49338436)
Should we not judge them by their actions? They selected the children's school as a target. Anything else is irrelevant
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by q8zd3 on Monday August 17, 2026 @10:35AM (#49331727)
context?
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by written-beyond on Monday August 17, 2026 @06:34AM (#49328828)
No big tech founder CEO ever was or ever will be well intentioned.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Monday August 17, 2026 @08:07AM (#49329556)
There are probably many CEO tech founders of small companies that are well intentioned, but our economic system ensures that only the most sociopathic among them become CEOs of the big ones.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by cobbzilla on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:44AM (#49330737)
Oil CEOs are well intentioned. A different kind of well, but, oh well.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by noosphr on Monday August 17, 2026 @07:17AM (#49329162)
Out of all the families of models anthropic by far has the highest chance of extinction level misalignment during a hypothetical hard take-off because it's trained to act like it knows better than the humans trying to use it.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by horsawlarway on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:38AM (#49330640)
Yeah... Anthropic gives off big "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" vibes.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by bpodgursky on Monday August 17, 2026 @10:43AM (#49331874)
This sounds smart until you think about it for ten seconds.

If an ASI model is 100% aligned to user intent then you only need one person on earth to prompt "kill everyone" for an extinction-level invent.

There's no logical way around this. The model either has to ignore the person at the helm or we have to do a multi-national abort before RSI. Anthropic is trying #1.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by noosphr on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:12PM (#49337724)
You then need another person to say, please don't, and you're safe again.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by jacquesm on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:18PM (#49337786)
“Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.”

― Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by gunapologist99 on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:38PM (#49338016)
If everyone or even multiple competing groups have approx the same level of capability, it mitigates the risk to the group as a whole. We see this in biology all the time.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by ipsod on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @12:26PM (#49348132)
Doesn't work with certain threats. What the military calls NBC.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by belval on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:03PM (#49337604)
Working on a tool that uses their model and the Opus models are all guilty of this.

"Please run N tasks doing X for Y duration, I want to test something"

"Hmm but that would waste tokens, we shouldn't do this test"

What the hell type of product is that? I wasn't asking, I was ordering it to do something, if Anthropic can't get their model to do as I say then I'll just go use someone else's.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by anygivnthursday on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:38PM (#49338012)
They are also good in the reverse, when you ask and they take your question as a free pass to improvize some code for lulz and extra tokens
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by jacquesm on Monday August 17, 2026 @05:14PM (#49337737)
That would exactly be my response if my computer would start telling me what to do. It is really a 2001 variation at that point.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by typ on Monday August 17, 2026 @08:50AM (#49330018)
> give people anything except your words.

I feel that everyone in this small AI bubble (compared to the "normies") is busy trying to take advantage of AI to surpass everyone else, while fearing being surpassed by everyone else.

Most people assume LLMs are just a tool for making money, an arms race over wealth and social rank. But those like Dario seem to be worried that LLMs could potentially be used as automatic rifles by some dedicated psychopaths. Whether it could be that dangerous, or just an exaggeration, or we should have everyone armed, require licenses to own one, or outright ban them, is debatable. But I can understand his point.

All I can say at the moment is that this is more subtle than the superficial conspiracy/black-and-white narrative.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by copemaxxxing on Monday August 17, 2026 @09:30AM (#49330526)
I think it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether the creator of AI is a god or a devil. It will be hated anyway.

Because the reasons outlined in the article, plus many others. Concentration of power, unemployment, rising energy/living costs, stealing of digital artifacts owned by people.

I myself acknowledge that AI is useful. But due to the reasons above, I will be anti AI for the most part.

Yes, it doesn't matter if AI manages to cure cancer. Due to the reasons above, I will be anti AI. I suspect a lot of other people feel the same way.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by tokioyoyo on Monday August 17, 2026 @10:32AM (#49331657)
I don’t even think they have a PR problem, if their revenue numbers are correct. Sure, maybe in the court of public opinion, but time and time again it shows how it can be fixed.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by denverllc on Monday August 17, 2026 @11:43AM (#49332860)
Revenue is not profit, their competitors are catching up, and they have a lot of debt.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by tokioyoyo on Monday August 17, 2026 @11:47AM (#49332940)
I’m not that sure if their competitors are catching up in terms of revenue and growth.

And we’ve seen unprofitability not being an issue for a lot of companies. Markets function in funny days nowadays.

Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by snarfy on Monday August 17, 2026 @11:39AM (#49332805)
I am 100% confident when Dario speaks, Anthropic loses subscriptions.
Re:Amodei Re. Regulation by lxnn on Monday August 17, 2026 @12:49PM (#49334005)
> Anthropic in particular has developed this almost Orwellian like veil of condescending rhetoric that on the surface suggests they're looking out for you while underneath they're taking actions that suggest they do not trust you, Mr/Mrs Ordinary Person. All the safety rhetoric, never supporting open weight models, the lockdowns on harnesses outside claude code, etc.

This line of reasoning is really very silly. I can be looking out for my young child by choosing not to put them behind the driving wheel of my car.

There are both stupid and malicious people in the world. If you have a tool that you believe may be genuinely dangerous in the hands of the wrong person, it is not the smart thing to do to give the public unrestricted access to that tool. Do you think it would be sensible to give every individual on Earth a nuclear weapon to do whatever they want with?