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Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by esafak on Friday August 07, 2026 @02:16PM (#49214325)
It's serviceable but, like many Chinese models, it uses a lot of tokens to get work done.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by gruez on Friday August 07, 2026 @02:56PM (#49214830)
>it uses a lot of tokens to get work done.

That's irrelevant when you use $/task as the metric, which the OP does use.

Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by esafak on Friday August 07, 2026 @03:19PM (#49215084)
It also affects the time.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by aitchnyu on Friday August 07, 2026 @03:46PM (#49215379)
It felt like a rocket compared to GLM 5.2 though. Are Chinese models generally token-heavy?
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by esafak on Friday August 07, 2026 @04:04PM (#49215569)
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by cyanydeez on Friday August 07, 2026 @04:03PM (#49215555)
If I had the GPU size, hook it up to llama.cpp and setup the --reasoning-budget and reasoning-message; Most of that additional reasoning is a lot of garbage and you can redirect it to useful output.

That's how I handle the Qwen27B and 35B

Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by nomel on Friday August 07, 2026 @05:44PM (#49216592)
> Most of that additional reasoning is a lot of garbage and you can redirect it to useful output.

What do you mean by "redirect it to useful output"? Could you give an example? This sounds interesting.

Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by cyanydeez on Friday August 07, 2026 @07:44PM (#49217514)
It's specific to the harness. Using dynamic context pruning, the budget cuts it off after a select amount of tokens and the budget message tells the model to use subgents to finish whatever it's thinking about
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by nomel on Friday August 07, 2026 @08:02PM (#49217625)
Nice. Does it use a summarization, or a hard cutoff?
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by ttkciar on Friday August 07, 2026 @09:08PM (#49217970)
llama.cpp uses a hard cutoff. The agent then does "something" that is specific to the agent's implementation and configuration. It might summarize and then "finish the thought" with a different model, and then resubmit the prompt to the llama.cpp API endpoint with <think>..</think> prefilled. The primary model then infers the remainder of the reply.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 by cyanydeez on Saturday August 08, 2026 @06:41AM (#49220516)
llama.cpp does a hard cut off on budget; it can set a reasoning-message as default but the client _can_ set a per message reasoning-message, so it's possible a smart harness could inspect the cut of thoughts and trim and do whatever.