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Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by Daishiman on Monday August 03, 2026 @12:46AM (#49151308)
What can the US administration do about it?
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by root_axis on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:31AM (#49151569)
Send you to jail.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by ChrisGreenHeur on Monday August 03, 2026 @03:00AM (#49152154)
How can the US administration send me, a citizen of Sweden, to jail?
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by victorbjorklund on Monday August 03, 2026 @06:26AM (#49153813)
I mean they did manage to make Swedish authorities go after Pirate Bay.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by throwaway473825 on Monday August 03, 2026 @06:35AM (#49153870)
Sweden is dependent on the American nuclear umbrella. Until that changes, the US will have a lot of leverage on Sweden.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by pelagicAustral on Monday August 03, 2026 @06:55AM (#49154032)
I mean, it's not like they have done it all over the place already...
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by Hackbraten on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:30AM (#49151949)
No.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by tiborsaas on Monday August 03, 2026 @07:37AM (#49154399)
Worked well with alcohol last time
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by root_axis on Monday August 03, 2026 @10:38AM (#49156424)
It sure did. Even Al Capone went to prison.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by CamperBob2 on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:17AM (#49151494)
Level 1: Anyone using unauthorized model weights in their business is prohibited from doing business with the government...

Level 2: ... or with anyone who does.

Level 3: Anyone caught with unauthorized model weights is subject to the same prosecution they could expect if they had been caught with CSAM.

Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by akmarinov on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:18AM (#49151872)
Cool - how are they going to detect/police that?
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by matheusmoreira on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:34AM (#49151973)
The NSA will run Mythos against the entire US population and it will find the patterns. Powerful computer purchases. Energy consumption suddenly spiking. HN comments demonstrating intent and/or contempt for the glorious self-evident freedom preserving laws of the United States.

Then they call your local law enforcement with an anonymous tip about this suspicious dude who's long overdue for a totally random home inspection.

Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by akmarinov on Monday August 03, 2026 @09:38AM (#49155663)
Yeah but I'm in Australia and just host AI models as a service - how are the NSA gonna convince the local law enforcement to do anything?
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by CamperBob2 on Monday August 03, 2026 @03:04PM (#49160062)
Ask Kim Schmitz. (Yes, I know, NZ is nowhere near Australia, the point still holds.)
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by sweetjuly on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:28AM (#49151935)
When has enforceability ever been a concern of the government? This is the same government that had anti-sodomy laws on the books until the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 2003.

Making it illegal even without having a realistic means of enforcing it still chills behavior, and so just because it isn't practically enforceable in the general case doesn't mean it isn't without consequences.

Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by fauigerzigerk on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:39AM (#49152008)
Whistleblowers. Personal use would still be possible of course.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by gspr on Monday August 03, 2026 @05:40AM (#49153437)
It's not out of the realm of possibility to do AI audits. I'm not saying it's a good idea or likely, but certainly something they could do.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by victorbjorklund on Monday August 03, 2026 @06:27AM (#49153821)
Same way they detect if you do business with Russia, North Korea, Iran. They don’t detect 100% of the cases but the punishment are severe enough to deter most companies.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by akmarinov on Monday August 03, 2026 @09:39AM (#49155677)
How exactly though? I have my 4 RTX 6000 pumping out Deepseek code for my website - how are they going to tell i've used Chinese models?
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by codemk8 on Monday August 03, 2026 @12:49PM (#49158250)
This post exactly ;-)
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by protocolture on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:00AM (#49151389)
What they always do. Send in armed men with guns? Export Controls. Import Controls. National Security Laws.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by nechuchelo on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:11AM (#49151449)
Import control would only affect US? Also good luck sending armed men to China.
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by xeromal on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:10AM (#49151444)
Good luck doing that in China?
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by HDBaseT on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:57AM (#49151713)
You can send armed men to your house, or restrict companies in America from using these models.

They can also restrict US providers from serving these models. Looking at OpenRouter, there is currently 11 providers for 'DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731' with the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.

Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by Barbing on Monday August 03, 2026 @03:24AM (#49152326)
> the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.

Interesting.

If I were a western lab, might I be tempted to subsidize at least one faster & cheaper provider for Chinese models to keep even more data from leaving the US?

(I know in this case there can just be more efficient providers, am asking more than speculating)

Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by protocolture on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:05AM (#49151768)
>Good luck doing that in China.

Crazy how all the 5 eyes nations banned Huawei within like 18 months of each other.

Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by akmarinov on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:19AM (#49151877)
Europe still heavily uses Huawei though, so it’ll be the same with Chinese models
Re:Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork by regularfry on Monday August 03, 2026 @05:10AM (#49153165)
For certain specific uses. As a consumer I can still buy Huawei phones. As a business I can still buy Huawei routers, if I feel so inclined.