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Re:KOReader by gchamonlive on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:23AM (#49096546)
I think the only proprietary software companies with any shot at longevity are Japanese companies. First Japan leads by far the ranking of oldest companies in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies). Then we have actual software like Zelda Breath of the Wild which is a technical marvel comparable to the original Rollercoaster Tycoon considering how well it runs on the severely limited architecture of the Switch.

I think this boils down to profit not being the only driving force for these companies, but prestige and a sense of duty and responsibility towards something larger and less immediate.

Re:KOReader by Larrikin on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:57AM (#49096902)
I think you know nothing about Japanese software.

You're assuming long lasting soy sauce companies have anything to do with software development. Japan produces great video games despite how terrible otherwise the developer environment and culture is there and nearly all of the other software shows it.

Re:KOReader by gchamonlive on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:52AM (#49097560)
Didn't say they are good quality, or the working environment is nice or anything, just that they have higher chances or living a long time. The reasons might not be any more or less commendable, but they are different than chasing the highest profit margin possible in the next quarter
Re:KOReader by stasomatic on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:38PM (#49104862)
Are these devs imprisoned or something? It's difficult to imagine how someone in duress would be able to produce TOTK. There is nothing like that coming out of the western studios.
Re:KOReader by hoherd on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:49AM (#49097505)
This podcast about the history of zaibatsu, hardware, and software comes to mind. https://www.disruptingjapan.com/the-forgotten-mistake-that-k...

> Software was not viewed so much as a product, but more like a service, similar to integration, training, and ongoing support and maintenance. It was usually sold on a time-and-materials basis, and sometimes it was just thrown in for free to sweeten the deal. The real money was in the hardware.

> Software development was considered rather low-skill work. It didn’t pay well and was viewed as a kind of clerical work. The job was simply to write software that was close enough to whatever sales had promised the client while they were out drinking last week.

Re:KOReader by tdeck on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @10:40AM (#49098151)
This sounds like the way software was viewed through at least the 1960s in the US.
Re:KOReader by vincent-manis on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @02:54PM (#49101509)
Until the threat of anti-trust against IBM, and the latter's decision to “unbundle” its software from its hardware, in 1969. There had been proprietary software before that, but very little horizontal software (OSs, development tools, etc.) Autoflow's flowchart generator was a rare example of this.
Re:KOReader by smcleod on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:28AM (#49097247)
Japanese software and software technology culture is amongst the worst in the world. They're famous for failing to adopt modern ways of working, tools and as an industry is seriously struggling. There's fantastic video in this from Asianometry: https://youtu.be/ky1nGQhHTso
Re:KOReader by Cyph0n on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:52AM (#49096861)
There is nothing inherently special about Japan or Japanese people. You can pull similar examples from many other countries.
Re:KOReader by Kirth on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:55AM (#49096882)
I take it you've never been to Japan...

Wouldn't wanna live there permanently. Wouldn't want to have been born Japanese. But my god the products and services are head and shoulders above my baseline expectations; it's simply nicer.

Re:KOReader by Cyph0n on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:46AM (#49097469)
I have lived in Japan.

> Wouldn't wanna live there permanently. Wouldn't want to have been born Japanese.

So I take it you understand that there is no free lunch.

Re:KOReader by tdeck on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:13AM (#49097082)
The apps I need to use for Rakuten Mobile are certainly... special.
Re:KOReader by nekooooo on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @02:29PM (#49101203)
get a point card and try to register it online to pay your water bill and then tell me this
Re:KOReader by gchamonlive on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:56AM (#49096893)
I agree. I didn't say it's special, only different. Can you say adult adoption is something common in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_adult_adoption

Re:KOReader by Cyph0n on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:44AM (#49097452)
I have always found the adoption loophole to maintaining a family business hilariously smart.

I also understand why it’s not something common outside of Japan. Selling your family name in exchange for (maybe) keeping your business alive is distasteful at best.

Re:KOReader by gchamonlive on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:47AM (#49097482)
It's weird and shows how heinous the working culture is, salarymen are almost property of the company they work for
Re:KOReader by jamesnorden on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @10:23AM (#49097930)
I thought I was reading a summary about the Yakuza.
Re:KOReader by sophrosyne42 on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:34AM (#49097322)
Bro has never played the thousands of shitty visual novels. Hell even from software games, which are beautifully well designed, are technically embarrassing
Re:KOReader by gchamonlive on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:48AM (#49097494)
They are, but the central theme of the convo here isn't quality but longevity
Re:KOReader by theshackleford on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:59AM (#49096941)
> Breath of the Wild which is a technical marvel comparable to the original Rollercoaster Tycoon considering how well it runs on the severely limited architecture of the Switch.

What? It can’t even maintain a stable 30fps on its own target hardware. That’s not an example is point to for something running “well.”

Re:KOReader by smith7018 on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @09:09AM (#49097052)
Yeah, it's genuinely my favorite game of all time but to compare it to Rollercoaster Tycoon as "a technical marvel" is doing a massive disservice to Chris Sawyer.
Re:KOReader by nargek on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @08:29AM (#49096603)
Software

Software Japan

Re:KOReader by nekooooo on Wednesday July 29, 2026 @02:28PM (#49101185)
this is complete nonsense. 『ローラーコースタータイクーン』はそもそも日本のゲームではありませんだよね笑