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Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by jandrewrogers on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:48PM (#49064676)
The police will ask you if the PIN unlocks the phone before using it.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by mcherm on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:58PM (#49064720)
Refusing to answer questions IS one of the rights that the US government mostly honors.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by cute_boi on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:06PM (#49064768)
Well, these days especially at border police don't care about "rights"
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by one33seven on Monday July 27, 2026 @03:45AM (#49066299)
That's missing in this entire conversation. This all sounds like it's 2016 or something
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by int_19h on Monday July 27, 2026 @05:15AM (#49066984)
This is not a "these days" thing. Most rights essentially being abrogated at the border is a thing we've had for many decades now. In particular, no non-citizen has the absolute right of entry, and border agents have discretion bordering on insane when it comes to not admitting people or temporarily detaining them. Worse yet, this being the case, the job attracts the kind of people who relish the petty power trip. I've seen this many times back in 2010-2011 when I was traveling regularly as a non-citizen between US and Canada.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by Xirdus on Monday July 27, 2026 @11:52AM (#49071377)
I don't think denying entry to non-citizens abrogates anyone's rights.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by one33seven on Tuesday July 28, 2026 @03:59AM (#49080766)
What gives US americans the right to deny anyone access to the land they stole from the indigenous they genocided? Why do people think they are entitled to take other peoples land and then prevent others from coming too?
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by Xirdus on Tuesday July 28, 2026 @08:54AM (#49083074)
What gives the Turks the right to land they stole from the Tatars? What gives the Greeks the right to land they stole from the Creteans? What gives the Chinese the right to land they stole from the other Chinese?

At some point, we have to accept that the world has irrevocably changed, that people have lived where they live for generations, that resettling them all is impractical, inhumane and just not a good idea in general, and just move on and build the best world for the people currently here.

During WW1 and then again during WW2, the world has agreed to the right of self-determination. If people feel they're a certain nationality separate from what their government imposes on them, then they have a right to become their own country with their own laws and their own border enforcement. If you are literally asking what gives Americans the right to prevent others from coming, this is it.

Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by one33seven on Thursday July 30, 2026 @03:06AM (#49106881)
I'm not saying to remove all americans but why the fuck would you have the right to exclude others from a certain piece of the earth?
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by account42 on Tuesday July 28, 2026 @10:33AM (#49084545)
Because that's how the world works everywhere.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by everfree on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:05PM (#49064760)
Under US law, you have a nearly absolute right to not answer police questions.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by jandrewrogers on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:10PM (#49064798)
Yes of course. But their use of the PIN will likely only occur if you answer, which many people will. This is a common setup in interrogations.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by 8note on Monday July 27, 2026 @02:15AM (#49065732)
the utah cops definitely would, based on whats been released from the rwckless ben bodycam footage
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by prmoustache on Monday July 27, 2026 @11:08AM (#49070767)
I belive this only applies if you are a US citizen and not a visitor.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by Xirdus on Monday July 27, 2026 @12:02PM (#49071520)
Up in the air. SCOTUS didn't decide on this specific right. They did rule on other constitutional protections though, sometimes granting, sometimes denying them to non-citizens. It also depends if you're just arriving or already are in the US. For example, illegal immigrants who jumped the border fence have more rights than legal immigrants who didn't leave the airport yet.
Re:US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during ai... by inigyou on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:21PM (#49064849)
It unlocks the phone.