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Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by koolala on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:25AM (#49035211)
Test: 'There is no greater joy in life than typing a sentence, realising it needs a clarification, a caveat, an addendum, but in the same sentence, not a new one, and, guess what, the comma is right there for you. You want to package things neatly together, and the comma lets you do exactly this. Commas make writing feel like you are assembling lego bricks.'

I like using commas for spacing though em dashes do the same thing and avoid the run-on police?

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by uberman on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:35AM (#49035348)
I would always prefer to do:

"There is no greater joy in life than typing a sentence, realising it needs a clarification, a caveat, an addendum (in the same sentence, not a new one) and, guess what, parentheses are right there for you."

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by ryukoposting on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:50AM (#49035632)
> There is no greater joy in life than typing a sentence and realising it needs a clarification, a caveat, an addendum (in the same sentence, not a new one) and guess what? Parentheses are right there for you.

That's what I'd do. Note the conversion of the first comma to "and," as well.

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by inigyou on Friday July 24, 2026 @10:25AM (#49036169)
The parentheses bind tightly to "an addendum" and change the meaning
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by nananana9 on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:30AM (#49037128)
Not with my brain's precedence parsing rules.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by Bolwin on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:50PM (#49044344)
I like this. It feels like more a person talking and less like a prepared speech.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by koolala on Saturday July 25, 2026 @10:32AM (#49047885)
That might lead to a lisp singularity.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by pohl on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:32AM (#49035299)
Your first sentence is a perfect example of why emdashes need to exist. The comma is overloaded, since it can be used both as a list separator and for parenthetical asides. But that first sentence starts using them as a list separator, and then inserts a parenthetical aside into the list. Emdash wins this test.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by thfuran on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:39AM (#49035429)
I think parenthesis are ideal for a parenthetical aside.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by readread on Friday July 24, 2026 @10:52AM (#49036571)
I sometimes prefer parenthesis for very short asides—say, three words or fewer.

I find m-dashes easier to read for most other purposes. They’re nicer in longer asides because they’re a little more visually prominent, while also (for some reason) not breaking my mental flow quite so much. They’re far nicer looking when an aside comes at the end of a sentence, as you don’t need to close an m-dash. That always looks like crap with parenthesis, as if the author should have thought of a way to avoid doing that, while with the m-dash there’s no problem at all.

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by oneeyedpigeon on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:37AM (#49037241)
Em dashes don't nest (but that's probably a good thing).
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by readread on Friday July 24, 2026 @12:59PM (#49038474)
That is a weakness of sorts, but yes, unless one is attempting a particular, niche affect, an urge to nest parenthesis is usually a cue to re-write the sentence instead.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by koolala on Saturday July 25, 2026 @10:33AM (#49047898)
hmmm... three or fewer?
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by oneeyedpigeon on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:36AM (#49037225)
I think it's generally accepted that parentheses are more parenthetical than emdashes.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by customguy on Friday July 24, 2026 @10:11AM (#49035942)
I just thought of the most annoying blog in the world. Individual spacing between words, depending on how thoughtful you want the pause to be. And by "individual" I mean a different floating point number denoted amount of em each. em > em-dashes. Or put differently, em dashes em-dashes.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by url00 on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:31AM (#49035286)
It's a bit like 2 space indention versus 4 or 8 space. I find the em-dash example pretty compelling because visually relaxes my eye more than commas do — similar to how prefer at least 4 space indention over 2.

(Unrelated: The alt-code for em-dash on Windows is Alt+0151. I just typed my first manual em-dash wow exciting.)

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by zvr on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:28AM (#49037096)
Microsoft recently introduced typing via Windows key plus hyphen (en dash) and plus shift (em dash). Much easier.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by thfuran on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:41AM (#49035461)
I think offsetting the em dash with spaces is contrary to almost every style guide.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by oneeyedpigeon on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:39AM (#49037263)
I think this is a localisation issue; in the UK, it's much more common to see space-surrounded em dashes.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by thfuran on Friday July 24, 2026 @07:15PM (#49042768)
As far as I know, the UK styles that recommend spaced dashes are using en dashes where US English would use em dashes, and the ones that actually use em dashes, like Cambridge or Oxford, are unspaced.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by jachee on Friday July 24, 2026 @10:12AM (#49035952)
Chicago does it one way and AP does it the other.

I definitely prefer it un-spaced, though, personally.

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by thfuran on Friday July 24, 2026 @07:11PM (#49042738)
MLA and APA as well as Chicago.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by ryukoposting on Friday July 24, 2026 @09:44AM (#49035508)
Yeah. They also use em dashes to repeat a word with emphasis, something that is done much better with parentheses and italics.

> And also occasionally — occasionally — one just needs a random dramatic pause.

> And also occasionally (occasionally) one just needs a random dramatic pause.

I know which one I'd rather read. Though, frankly, I'd prefer neither and I'm trying to remove this kind of thing from my own writing.

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by lesostep on Friday July 24, 2026 @10:49AM (#49036530)
I can't be the only one that reads those two examples very differently.

In a first example, the second "occasionally" is stressed, when in second example it feels almost whispered.

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by ryukoposting on Friday July 24, 2026 @11:15AM (#49036917)
Interesting, I read both as emphasized. To me, the parens make the voice clear but the em dashes make it read like a typo.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by win311fwg on Friday July 24, 2026 @12:26PM (#49037951)
I read the parenthesis as a secondary thought that is there if you want to take in additional context but where the main message can be read just as well without, whereas the em block is a deliberate interruption to call attention to context necessary to understand the main message.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by lesostep on Saturday July 25, 2026 @07:11PM (#49052736)
It's really hard to find style guides on reading specifically.

But what I see from trawling the posts made by narrators, a lot of them do mention that em-dashes are read as interruptions with sudden tonal shift, while cursive implies a non-interuptive tonal shift.

That said, apparently, most audiobook authors actually supplement their own guidance on how to read their books. I haven't found any universal guide yet.

Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by helboi4 on Friday July 24, 2026 @03:46PM (#49040755)
I think you demonstrated exactly why avoiding em dashes like the plague makes for hard to read sentences.
Re:Em dashes are fucking amazing by koolala on Saturday July 25, 2026 @10:34AM (#49047904)
why?